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Discussion in 'Fred's House of Pancakes' started by tochatihu, Aug 3, 2017.

  1. JimboPalmer

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    My daughters are nursing students, they got extra credit for every new blood donation t shirt. So I donated both blood and t shirts.
     
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    It's 1 year if you travel to malaria areas, 3 years if you've "lived" there. Most of my trips have been in excess of 2 months, so I've twice fallen into the "lived" category.
     
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    @hkmb thanks, I've been one of the luckiest guys alive and not just for the C, but you don't want to know it all, honest!

    UK's NHS bought a lot of USA's blood products to meet a shortfall and the cost is still being counted to this day. In and out of court.
     
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    Yes, that's one of the problems I was thinking of.
     
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    hkmb Senior Member

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    That all sounds intriguing. But I'm glad everything is OK.

    What happened there? I don't remember this.
     
  6. tochatihu

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    Another aspect of blood donation and American Red Cross could be mentioned here. I hesitated earlier when ARC was called out as a less than ideal charitable organization. Did not want that to appear as an easy excuse to not consider blood donation.

    There was a large increase in blood-donation rates after 2001/9/11 without a corresponding local demand. Some number of collected and tested 'units' were wasted. You can read 300,000 100,000 or 'very few' (!). Fact remains that this processing pipeline is not well designed to match supply and demand at large scales. 9/11 was not the first major mismatch either.

    We also read that UK, because of madness of cows, meets blood demand by imports (all or most). Thus they have some system in place, but in general international blood transfers do not appear as a smoothly running machine. Local demand increase and local supply increase mismatches are not ameliorated by international transfer.

    This would require planning, cooperation and trust. So perhaps not a sensible goal? One barrier that does not exist is high-speed transport. In this world you can get lobster or fresh-cut flowers anywhere. The day after. Just call.

    Yet another rant, but I do not apologize. All persons donating blood deserve to have confidence that it will provide intended benefits. To someone, somewhere. If 'the system' (which is much larger than ARC) does not provide this confidence it serves all of us inadequately.
     
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    people get blood transfusions everyday. something's working.
     
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    I emphatically agree. What is missing is response to dynamic events, which would require policies worked out in advance.
     
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    This is just the latest moment on a protracted timeline.
     
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    i hope so. i suspect that they begin the shortage talk around here way before there's an actual shortage in the field. and when there is an emergency, people respond.
     
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    Maybe some folks are indecisive about donating blood for being unsure about the questions to be asked part. You have to walk in the door to see those questions right? No, you can download from

    http://www.aabb.org

    or read attached pdfs
     

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    That's an extremely useful thing to have posted.
     
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    Blood types are part of general education, but readers may have let all that information float on past. It contains some interesting aspects though.

    O negative blood is universal donor, thus in high demand. If you are O negative I presume you would have been 'hustled' for blood donation. But the flip side is that O negs can only receive O neg blood. So hospitals etc. might wish to deploy their O neg stocks for all customers through the door. But they really can't because next car wreck may have an O neg on board. And there is an obvious desire to keep them alive. For later hustling.

    AB positive blood is the opposite. Can tolerate transfusion from anybody, but whose donation can only go to another AB neg. Err in that (blood typing in general) and recipient is in a world of big hurt.

    O neg populations vary across countries from 0.1% (Philippines and Taiwan) to 9% (Australia, New Zealand, Brazil, Spain). Almost 2 orders of magnitude. this must matter for strategies at country level.

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    A 'liberal globalist' message is that all humans are one. Yeah OK fine but there are really eight. O A B AB and Rh pos or neg. Ironically you can't tell by looking. But get 'those races' wrong and somebody's blood will turn to aspic.
     
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    useful@78. You'll thank me less after hearing it was as antidote to useless @76.

    But see, I want global blood transferals to work as well as they can. Having self invested more than a bit in that system. But here is PriusChat and I am obliged to dress topics with clever anecdotage. Along the way, some others might read and chose to add their arms to this most human enterprise.
     
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