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Which 09 would you choose?

Discussion in 'Gen 2 Prius Main Forum' started by StephenJ, Aug 22, 2017.

  1. StephenJ

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    Hey guys, I'm looking at two 09 models and am curious of all your opinions since you are far more knowledgeable of the car than me. They both have impeccable Toyota maintenance records of every oil change since new every 5k miles and a few recall items fixed.

    One only has 85k miles is dark gray but it's very basic with cloth, the screen that's only informational, basic stereo. With the low miles they want $7900 and don't seem too interested in coming off of that.

    Other one has 131k miles is white, but it's loaded out with heated leather, nav, bluetooth and maybe more but I can't recall exactly. They want $7000. To be honest I doubt the loaded out features are going to be that useful except the seats are nice because The nav is old and my daughter would just use her phone anyway, the Bluetooth doesn't play music. But she does prefer the white over the dark gray.

    Should either of these cars have the ability for her to play music from her phone through a aux plug? I believe they both have it (both are far so I haven't seen either in person).

    45k miles difference is a lot, however my budget is under 8k and with fees/taxes I'm going to be going over budget by about $500 to get the low mileage one....I really don't need too do that (I started out looking for a $5000 car lol ). But if you guys think the 131k miles is too much then I'll spend the extra. My daughter also prefers the white over the gray but isn't worried about it either way.

    What do you guys think? These cars seem expensive to me for a 2009, however most of the cheaper ones are fleet cars, crashes, 5 owners, no maintenance records, etc.

    Thanks!
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    My opinion -- and it's just that: I wouldn't pay a premium for the lower mileage. 131k is not that much. If the white car is loaded, it should have a mini aux input inside the armrest. True, the nav is all but useless compared to smart phone. The bluetooth connectivity is a great convenience/safety feature for hands-free phone calls -- it works very well and the sound quality is quite decent.
     
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    The difference in mileage is a lot for only $900. While it's a crapshoot as to the condition of the battery, assuming both are local cars and were driven similarly (unlikely but for the purposes of my point), the 85k is further away from possible battery replacement than the 131k. Sure both could last just as long or the 85k could crap out sooner than the 131k but statistically, a lower mileage would better (as long as it's not too low of a mileage for the given age of the car).

    Both should have AUX I believe (it was available from 2006 onwards).

    The one with leather won't have heated seats (unless it's aftermarket) as Gen 2 never came with heated seats (even with the factory leather).

    How long are you planning on keeping the car (If you said it in the other threads, I must've missed it).

    If you think you'll have the money later, then go with the white one (she likes the colour and bluetooth handsfree is good so she's not holding her phone if she's making a call) plus leather is easier to keep clean than cloth. If the battery goes, put in a new one and you essentially have a new car.
     
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    $900 is a bargain for 46000 fewer miles. That's what I'd get. Reliability trumps all.
     
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    If you have the VIN's, you can join and enter them here to see all their history with Toyota dealers: Log into Your Toyota Owners Account | Toyota Owners

    Also, make sure the car has two fully functional key FOB's. If not, you're looking at $100 minimum if you DIY but several hundred if you rely on a dealer to make another one.
     
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    It may not make a difference if your daughter lives locally, but check to see if either vehicle was first sold in a CARB state (extended warranty), and what if any is left of a factory warranty.

    Interesting read on CARB : CARB Warranty Ins-and-Outs (and In-Out-Ins) | PriusChat
     
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    I was in almost an identical position back in Dec 2013 when my old '93 Corolla (292,000 miles on odometer) failed its inspection due to corrosion. There were two used Prii on the local dealer's lot, both about the same mileage (low 80K), both about the same price ($12K9). The very pretty pale green car (Sea Pearl/Pine/SomethingOrOther?) looked very nice, had all sorts of gewgaws (NAV, BlooToof, etc. etc.) but I didn't need the NAV since I use googlemaps on my SmartPhone, and I couldn't get the BlooToof to sync with my phone, so I took a peek at the other example in Magnetic Gray (see my avatar), it was the "Touring" package (16" wheels, tuned suspension, fog-lamps) and it was love at first sight! Check all the details (trace VIN #s on the Toyota Owners' site) and good luck! …and welcome to PriusChat (…but BEWARE! it's habit forming! :eek:)

    BTW: @fotomoto 's tip re. SKS fobs is spot on! (I got two, babe!)
    …also I was sort of "ho hum" re. the Magnetic Gray at the start, but the colour is really growing on me! Looks great just after a wash & wax! ;)
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    corolla might be a good idea, i wonder if they are as expensive as prius?
     
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    Yup, I saw that somewhere on here and already did it. They both have excellent maintenance records. Both have 5k mile oil changes logged from the car being new all the way to current! That's my main reason for picking these two cars. My Toyota account has about 25 cars in it right now! *runs and hides* hahaha
     
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    They are both right at 8 years old and I'm not in a CARB state....the closest Alabama is to a carb state is that you can have a carborator if you want! Lmao......as far as cars go you can do whatever you want. We don't even have emissions testing or anything like that. Haha
     
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    In favor of the high mileage one, it would have had the 120,000 mile maintenance done in the last year, which means you don't have to worry about spark plugs or fluid changes for a while. It would also probably be more comfortable with the extra features.

    In favor of the lower mileage one, that's at least 3 years more of typical driving (15,000 miles per year) than the high mileage one, which is a significant amount of time.
     
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    The 120k service having been done is a serious consideration, especially if belts, trans fluid, etc. were done at some point in time also. Factoring that in means the higher mileage one is actually going to cost the buyer a lot less over the next few years. It depends, however, on just how many miles the car is going to be driven. The lower miles one could conceivable not need that 120k service for another 3 or 4 years.

    StephenJ - As you can see from my signature we've had both versions of the car. You probably won't be disappointed with either one. Right now I'm leaning in favor of the higher mileage car. The leather seats are a big improvement. The upgraded stereo system is a +. The bluetooth for the phone is excellent as a built in safety item. BUT, there are cheap aftermarket speakerphone setups that work really well too. The GPS is worthless.

    A couple more things to ask - Are the windows tinted on one car and not the other? Do you know if either one has been kept garaged?
     
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    Well now I'm waiting a fsbo car owner contacted me back today and said if she hasn't sold her 2011 by the end of the week she will sell it to me for $7500! It has a lot of features plus only 78k miles and well maintained! So I'm going to hold off on the 09's until the end of the week to see if I can get the 11 and cross my fingers if I change the oil every 5k it doesn't ever develops the oil drinking issue.

    On a side note I was reading around on the forum and ran across something cheap that I want to ask you guys if they will be benificial to use while I'm car shopping.....

    "Android phone/tablet, Elm 327 Bluetooth OBDII reader, Torque Pro app."

    Will these be able to tell me the condition of the cars main battery?

    Thanks!
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    Can most real mechanic scan tools scan a lot of Prius hybrid parameters and see things such as battery health?
     
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    Changing oil early (too often) is, essentially, the same as an oil burner, it just moves the over consumption to the front end. And if burning still happens later on, you've used too much on both ends.
     
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    no, you need toyota tech stream to read the voltages under load. some may have it, you would have to ask.
    the downside is that a battery that is healthy today, can be sick tomorrow. kinda like people.
     
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    For me the issue isn't really about the cost of oil. It's that at 10k mile interval there is more likelihood to wear the rings more and more with use and have a situation where the consumption grows and grows until you can't keep up with it. I don't mind changing oil at 5k. I feel like over 5k is too long no matter what kind of oil is being used. Engine oil gets contaminated, especially in newer engines with lower ring tensions. I honestly feel like telling people to go 10k is a marketing ploy to make the maintence look cheaper. They knew where to draw the maintenance line so that people wouldn't have ring wear issues until they were out of warranty. I could be wrong but that's just how I feel. What is happening to some people's cars is exactly what I would tell someone would happen if they told me they change their oil every 10k or more. It's just my opinion, I've built several engines and transmissions but I'm not a mechanical engineer or metallurgist so it's just my opinion, but it's a opinion based on experience. I'm hoping that if I get a low mileage well maintained 2011 that I can change oil every 5k and it not develope ring wear so ultimately it can make it to 250k or so.
     
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    What does this show?
    "Android phone/tablet, Elm 327 Bluetooth OBDII reader, Torque Pro app."

    I was under the impression it can show a lot of data about the battery? I was thinking if this device can show a lot about the battery then maybe a good scan tool can. Am I wrong about that?

    A test drive will be my first time to drive a Prius and I know they make different noises and such and I'm just not that familiar with specific details of the car so it's hard to know exactly what to look at.
     
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    What you say makes sense, however, I think your prevention method guarantees a consumption rate of double that of what someone would consume following a 10k OCI or in other words you consume a quart of oil every 2k miles versus someone following the owner's manual. It's not a lot of money either way but it's not about money. It's about waste.

    I haven't built any engines but I used to be a courier driving up to 300 miles a day. It was impractical to change oil every 2 weeks so I followed the the owner's manual at 7500 miles. Even a 1992 Honda Accord or Toyota Tercel specified this OCI and that was on conventional 5w30. At 18 years old and knowing nothing, I found it odd that everyone recommended 3000 despite what is written in the owner's manual. My Tercel did consume a lot of oil but it was doing that before I got the car. The other vehicles I drove went above and beyond 200k miles without major issues. I was a 18 year old lead foot driving in hilly San Francisco rush hour traffic, so don't expect that all my highway miles are easier on the car. It's a small sample size so take it with a grain of salt.

    A lot of folks I know buy cars looking at reliability before they look at maintenance costs. Sabotaging reliability in favor of lower maintenance costs is a bad business model. Toyota has moved to a 10k OCI recommendation for at least 8 years now retroactively starting with the 2010 Prius. Reliability ratings for Prius are still highest for all cars despite being a hybrid with complicated parts. I've been on Priuschat for over 6 years and what I've found out is that the 10k OCI holds up well on synthetic 0w20. There are a few outliers of course but there are far more like me with 100k+ miles Prius with low to no consumption. That's my opinion anyway. :p
     
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    If you've never driven a Prius before, you would be well-advised to take along someone who has or is familiar with the purrs, squeaks and whispers that you will eventually notice as you become familiar with what the car is trying to tell you as it goes along. I'm no expert, although I've had my 2009 Gen II for about 4 years, and I still get surprised by the occasional grunt or squeak coming from under the bonnet (hood). Most recently I was on the highway, cruising along (at the speed limit) and it being a hot and humid day, I had the A/C on, and occasionally I'd hear a distinctive groaning "grunt" coming from behind the dashboard - yes! my Prius is so quiet even when cruising, that the flapping of the A/C doors/baffles can be heard in the cabin, for that was what I was hearing!
     
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