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2005 Rear defroster not working

Discussion in 'Gen 2 Prius Care, Maintenance and Troubleshooting' started by pmanipole, Sep 11, 2017.

  1. pmanipole

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    i have a 2005 and the bottom windows defrosts in about 30 seconds but the top does nothing. i know there is a connection between the top and bottom under one of the pieces of trim but which piece do i remove? i hate removing them because they never seem to go back on correctly and would only like to remove one piece if i have to. thanks.
     
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    I think you have to bite the bullet and remove the trim! (There are many "how-to" videos on youtube!)
    The first time you remove the inside trim of the rear hatch can be nerve-racking, and you just need to have faith and apply some brute-force! …but it gets easier each time! o_O (…just take careful note of where the fasteners are located! …and a flat-bladed screwdriver or special removal-tool¹ can be most useful) ;)
    Do you have (…are you able to borrow) a Digital Multi-meter? Not having access to the correct tools will put you at a considerable disadvantage! - hope this helps - Wil
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    ok i took the trim off and tested the input. we had a volt meter and a bulb that lite up when plugged into the 2 connectors. we have tested connectivity on the traces and they were good but going connector to connector on the window is open. we had a 12 battery and put 12v through the window with 0 current draw. is there a fuse in the window?
     
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    the only thing we can come up with is some how every trace is open in the window. there is a tinting on the window and i really dont want to scrap it off. it seems if there was at least one trace working i would see that in the morning. when we plug both connectors we get no amp draw at all when on. strange
     
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    Sounds like either a bad connector, or an open circuit in the wiring! Try wriggling the connectors, or even disconnecting and re-connecting or just cleaning, is sufficient some times! Good luck!
     
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    we cleaned the connectors with electron cleaner. when there are plugged in we get voltage across them but nothing across them but there is no amp draw on the wires. when we plug them in we get good volts on the soldering on the window and voltage down both sides of the window at the main traces. is it possible that every trace is open?
     
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    That would be possible if something scraped across all traces on the window, I suppose.
     
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    Perhaps something scraped the inside trashing the elements? Over-enthusiastic cleaning? …something like the corner of a box or something sharp scraping the inside of the glass as someone slammed the hatch a bit too hard? From what you describe, it certainly seems the whole thing is open-circuit. Are the heating elements inside the glass (i.e. physically part of the screen), or is it like a decal? Check the local junkyards to look for an intact rear-screen? (…then get your local auto-glass shop to replace it for you). :)
     
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    Many years ago, I had an issue with a couple of traces not working on a (non-Toyota) car that was under warranty. The dealer found the issue and repaired with some conductive paint? that looked silver on the inside of the car. It worked fine except the small repair areas did not tend to heat up.
    This type of repair may be less expensive & troublesome than replacing the rear window.
     
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    could be. i just checked the lower window and it is drawing 1.5ish amps and 0 on the top while having 12 volts across connectors. it is a decal but it is under the tinting. i think the tint was put on after market. i wonder if that did it. is there a a kit that can be put over the original?
     
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    …if your insurance covers glass, they might at least pay for the labour of replacing the screen (…now I'm not suggesting that you do the Center-PunchTrick¹ (…ooops! …well just look at that! I guess it must have been a stone, or some kid with a B-B gun! :eek: ) ) but you get the idea!!! ;)

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    I think I remember seeing something similar many moons ago (in the UK, on a mate's car), and it would make sense if the "fix" only provided continuity, and was not resistive enough to generate heat. A friend is an artist who engraves perspex/glass etc. with extremely finely-detailed line-art, if it were me, I'd ask him to try to engrave the broken traces, and fill with conductive paint as @Prodigyplace suggested! :)
     
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    We both forgot about the tint on the inside though :(
     
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    There is conductive paint made for nearly the exact job, repairing damaged traces on printed circuit boards. Friendly local electronics shoppes have it.

    You can hook a battery across the window, connect the − lead of your meter to the − side of the battery, and just touch the + meter lead to the traces at different spots. (If you might have film or something over the traces, a sharp pointy + meter lead will help you contact the trace.)

    A good trace will show you a voltage that goes proportionally with the position where you probe it, from 0 V at the − end to 12 V at the + end. A trace that is broken somewhere will show 0 V everywhere on the − side of the break, 12 V everywhere on the + side. Once you find it, apply the conductive paint.

    You probably want to find all the breaks (this is all assuming that broken traces are your issue), then disconnect the battery to paint and let the paint dry before trying again with power.

    Laying down some tape strips on either side of the existing trace will help you paint over a break in a way that matches the width of the trace.

    If you have multiple breaks in a single trace, this method with the meter will find them in order, starting with the one closest to the + end.

    Typically, a break is small enough that you don't really notice whether the conductive paint heats up less than the original conductor.

    -Chap
     
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    thanks for the replies. tomorrow i will take a exacto knife and scrap along one traces to see if it is open. the tinting is thick so this should be fun. also i am looking to get the clips to put the trim back on. napa and autozone do not 20170911_174124_resized.jpg have the clip i need. it is pink and on the side trim.

    is this the one that i need?