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Hairline scratches on gloss paneling after using microfiber cloth ?

Discussion in 'Prime Care, Maintenance and Troubleshooting' started by Deleted member 111882, Oct 4, 2017.

  1. So, ages ago, I was told to never clean with a paper towel. Always use a microfiber towel. So, that's what I've been doing, when I had my Prius c, and currently with my Prime.

    However, even after washing both the car (spray wash) and the towel, and let it air dry, I notice that the gloss paneling between the side windows will sometimes show hairline scratches, or... I'm not sure if they're scratches, or just streak marks left behind by the microfiber cloth. They don't seem to go away if I wipe over them, and yet using the microfiber cloth (actually two different kinds) doesn't help. Heck, I can run my fingernail over them without causing further artifacts... and it feels smooth even though I can see the little hairline reflections.

    I am distressed. I thought that microfiber cloths were supposed to protect from scratches, not cause them. What's going on? And how do I make that gloss paneling (and also the gloss by the rear window) without those hairline, uh, line marks I guess? Also, would similar marks appear if I tried wiping the colored body of the car? Could those come out or would those be permanent? Should I be wiping with wet or dry microfiber towels with this type of car? Or a different type of towel altogether? And why does a basic coin-op hose not work to lift the dirt? I just don't recall having car surfaces look so easily "ruined" by so many little hairline artifacts.

    Also, what about wiping the outside of the windows, e.g., to get water droplet residue off?
     
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  2. SAronian

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    I haven't seen scratches from my microfiber towels, which I have been using for years.

    Here's what I've been using lately:

    Meguiar's Ultimate Fast Finish for protecting the finish.

    Finish Kare 425 Applied after drying to keep the finish slippery and easy to clean. Spraying with water and drying is all that's needed to clean the car.

    Woolly Mammoth Microfiber Dryer Towel I can completely dry all parts of the car with a single towel. I use cheap Costco yellow microfiber towels on the wheels.

    Meguiar's Supreme Shine Microfiber Towel I use these for applying the FK 425.

    The Woolly Mammoth towel is great on the windows and should prevent problems with spotting. If you do get water spots, sap, or any other difficult to remove stains, use a clay bar to remove it.
     
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    Clay-bar then use clean microfiber cloth (use just once then put in "used" pile, and don't use again until washed & dried) - Harbor-Freight selling pack of 2 for $1.99 at moment (SKU # 60232), grab lots, you'll need 'em and after they're laundered, they're as good as new! ;)
     
  4. So, just rubbing a clay bar will get the hairline artifacts out of the gloss? And then I can apply those other products to it?

    Some of the (cleaned, dried) microfiber cloths that I've been using are for interior wiping. The cloth looks really fuzzy and porous. I don't have a brand name. But even then, I guess whatever surface I use them on is already supposed to be clean; otherwise, would the towel just rub in the leftover residue to cause the hairline markings?
     
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    Nah, in my (limited) experience, microfiber cloths lift off the abrasive bits (dirt, sand, dust, grit) which is why:

    (1) they should only be used one time (i.e. the dirt is still there in the microfibers, and will be rubbed into the surface if folded over and used again (rubbing the old dirt back in to the paint!)
    (2) they should be washed and dried before being used again!
    (3) Oh, BTW, launder them before you use them (I remove the tags, also, since I've found they're awkward, and they tend to get in the way)

    I've found that it's best to arm oneself with a copious supply of microfiber cloths/towels (at least a dozen, maybe even two!)

    …er, does that make sense? o_O
     
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  6. I think that it was because the coin-op car wash did not lift the dirt, and so I ended up rubbing residual particles around against the gloss finish. Oops.

    So, I just took my car to a much better car wash, automatic, high pressure, and as far as I can tell, there is no damage to any of the sensors. The car looks great.

    However, the artifacts on the glossy features by the rear window and between the side windows are still there, and still show only in certain angles of sunlight. See picture.

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    Note: This is immediately after the car came out of the car wash, and a final wiping with a (clean) microfiber towel. There are some dust specs that can be blown off, and a water residue line. I am referring specifically to the myriad of very small vertical artifacts, which came from the direction of wiping. So... do you guys have these problems as well? Is this common? I really doubt that a clay bar will get those out.

    I have also just noticed a few of these on the sparkling gloss around the multimedia display, and that was always kept clean and wiped gently with a microfiber cloth (and not a towel or anything rough). Is that also normal? I had the whole car protected with Xzilon before I drove it off from the dealership.


    I did pick up a spray bottle of Meguiar's Ultimate Fast Finish, and it came with its own microfiber cloth. This worked once the car was already through the car wash... not sure how well it'll stand up to the pollen (seasonal) and sand/ice (winter) that builds up, so why did I spend $20 on this if I have to go to a $15 car wash each month anyway?
     
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    Meg's UFF is a good choice. It won't last anywhere near what is being advertised, but it's easy to apply and will offer some protection from the elements. Less is more.

    When you use the coin operated self serve car washes, you will often see dirt residue. The sprayers don't clean off all of the dirt, especially if the car isn't newly washed. This is especially on the rocker panels. But it's cheap and better than nothing. If it's a coin operated car wash with bristles, those cleaning bristles are usually not cleaned enough and will trap dirt on them.

    Personally, I don't think the MF is the issue, but here's a test. Wipe the back of a CD. If there's scratches, then don't use the MF on your car. Otherwise, you're good to go.
     
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    The stainless sanitary used in the food and pharmaceutical industry is called sanitary stainless. It has an ultra smooth polish that is hard for dirty and bacteria to stick to. The plastic scrubbers people use on their stainless pots at home will wreck it.

    As mentioned, use clean towels. When bucket washing, I use two; one to rinse the dirt off the sponge before getting it soapy again.
    I don't know of what harm paper towels could do. They'll likely leave lint behind, but any streaking is do to the bleach and other residues used in manufacturer.
    For streakless wiping on glass, use newspaper.
    I haven't used a clay bar, but have heard that the blue sticky stuff used for hanging posters is the same material, just cheaper.
     
  9. Well it seems as if every time that I use a (clean, dry) microfiber cloth in excellent condition (not worn out or anything like that) to wipe the interior from dandruff-type particles or the exterior from water particles, new curvy hairline scratch-like artifacts just keep showing up on my Prime. The speckly-colorful border around the 11-inch display has new hairline artifacts. (Does anyone else have this problem? How did you get those curves to go away so that it's back to speckly new?) The windshield now has a few that show up at odd angles driving at night. Same goes for the black gloss by the rear window, and just a few around the side windows. Same goes for everywhere on the clear coat...which I had washed at a car wash first.

    This never used to be such a problem on my Prius c, and I've been using the same basic techniques for 4 years.

    (Just to clarify, these are barely noticeable, in some angles they don't show up at all, and instead, I just get the nice wonderful speckle pattern. But I'm just confused and surprised as to how and why so many so soon, as faint as these hairline artifacts are.)

    Is this just a normal thing with the Prime for it to look cosmetically "artifacted" so quickly after it's new?


    In the meantime... I read that a dual action buffer can help with some of these. My questions, for someone who has never used one, and has no garage, are:
    1. Which buffer should I get that also plugs into the 12V port of my car?
    2. What should I get to go with the buffer (e.g., which cloth, which spray, or lubricant), and how do I use them?
    3. Are there certain sections by the exterior of the vehicle that I absolutely should not let the buffer get near (e.g., windows, gloss between the windows) or else it'll damage it?
     
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    Did the Prius c have such glossy plastics?
    Are you sure they are scratches, and not streaks? Don't use fabric softener on towels; it leaves a residue that will streak.
     
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    Use a swiffer instead?

    I have scratches on my plastic in my Gen 3 just by using a microfibre cloth. (It's one reason why I never touch the IP because I need that plastic or glass scratch-free. If I saw a hairline scratch over my speedo readout, it will bug the heck out of me)
     
  12. Nah Prius c had lots of hard plastic everywhere.
     
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    You may be getting overly particular, it seems there are certain micro-debris attracted to both the inside and outside of the car. Some are brittle, some soft, but never can I clean the car perfectly nor ever expect to stay that way, even for a day. Most surfaces of the car are imitation, plastics, etc. Now, since Aug, I am at a new location, rural and parking outside I have given up on being so finicky. Can you picture a Farmer going out every morning and cleaning his wagon and preening his horse.....100 years ago. I can’t even keep my floor rugs clean anymore. The automobile is a tool, not a picture frame.
     
  14. Maybe so...

    Edit: can't delete my post
     
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    I wouldn’t want you to. Your post is imbedded in time and space for all eternity.