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Red Triangle, P0a80 (2005 Gen 2, 110k miles)

Discussion in 'Gen 2 Prius Main Forum' started by Metrolens, Nov 11, 2017.

  1. JC91006

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    A warranty is only as good as the company offering it. Things in this industry are changing constantly and even with 2k1Toaster's battery coming onboard, things could change even faster in a year. The new product might catch on and production costs come down to the point where these Chinese modules can be purchased maybe close to $1000? At that price point, the refurbish companies will all slowly drop off and will need to find something else to make money. So you'll have to think will this company be around for 6 years to honor this really long warranty.

    Since I fix my own batteries, my opinion has a little bias towards fixing what you already have. It'll be the lowest cost/risk option. And in a year or 2, you can see what your options are when the time comes to repair the battery again. You might sell the car, you might buy 2k1Toaster's battery. But you'll have options and you won't be locked onto your car with a $2000 expense now.
     
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    Yup, the EV scene is pretty volatile, especially for small companies. People can mean well, but the economy changes. Dorman used to produce well rebuilt batteries, but looking at posts now, that is not really the case anymore.

    As 2k1toaster has shown, people continue to compete in the marketplace and it will drive out some. I was building EVs when Lead Acid batts were the only option. Most of the hardware from that time is near worthless now.
     
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    Only time will tell and you can only go by the info you have today.

    Just a quick note, in their faq section it says "... offer up to 5 year warranty on our batteries." Not 6?
     
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    Just got back from Electron, and I am very happy.

    This morning I spoke again to Chris, who called me with a choice between his two best batteries: a 2016 or 2013. He told me that despite its age, the 2013 was in fact the superior battery, and he would recommend that I go with that one (they were both excellent, he said, but the 2013 was the one he'd put in his car). So I followed his advice. He showed me the SN's on the battery, which I took a photo of.

    For my 34 mile ride down to Anaheim, I got 60.2 MPG. Which made me think hey maybe it's the Red Triangle of Awesomeness. I hadn't reset any of the error codes, and interestingly my cruise control didn't work for the trip down. (One of the techs later explained that cruise control is disabled for safety when the dash is lit up with errors like mine was - makes sense). After I got off the highway, though, my hybrid battery fan in the rear was blowing like crazy, which I'd never heard it do before. The hybrid battery was clearly running a high fever. Not good.

    They diagnosed the car - sure enough, hybrid battery failure. Worked on the car for around an hour, and the moment the new hybrid battery was connected and they turned the car on, all the error lights on the dash simply disappeared, without having even reset the codes.

    On the trip back... I got 62.2 MPG, taking the exact same route. Anaheim is actually around level in altitude with LA, but there are some hills involved... and I was using the aircon... so to say that the car likes this new battery is an understatement. The cruise control came back on too, btw. All good.

    And here's the kicker... Chris charged me less than what I'd quoted earlier. Amazing. He's a huge Prius fan and a very smart guy, and I will certainly be going back to him in the future for Prius work even though he's 40 miles away.

    Good catch. I saw that as well this morning, and called Chris before driving down there to ask, as I seemed to recall from our conversation that it was up to a 6 year warranty. Sure enough, it is. 6 year, 100k miles, no nonsense. Of course, you can get a 5 year warranty as well (or 4, 3, 2, or just 1), with each tier costing less and corresponding to a lower quality battery.

    Anyway - time will tell, indeed. But the experience I had today was excellent. I will post back here with how my new hybrid battery behaves over time.

    Thank you again to all for all your input!
     
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    congrats, all the best!(y)
     
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    Not that it really matters that much, but I would have taken the 2016 battery.
     
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    Yeah, I wrestled with the decision for a bit. We'll never know, really. But as long as my battery performs well, that's good enough for me.
     
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    isn't a 2016 a gen 4?
     
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    That depends. If from a Liftback it is Gen 4 supposedly with a higher quality nickel in the battery. Prius v or c would be Gen 3.
     
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    Too comical.

    People want to save a penny and get a long warranty. What is reliability worth to you? The BEST Warranty is one you never need!
    When your car was brand new, the HV Battery could have been given a one or three year warranty. Guess what, you got 10+ years! So why all the fuss about a new replacement OEM HV Battery only coming with a one or three year warranty? You will likely get another 10 years of service, despite having a one or three year warranty.

    The warranty of the "refurbished/rebuilt" HV Battery won't cover towing or a rental car while your car is out of service.

    If OP spent $1k or more, he should have gotten a new OEM HV Battery. Granted OP can't DIY, but he could have hired it out.

    A new OEM HV Battery could have been acquired for $2000-$2200.
    MidAtlantic Toyota (somewhere, VA), $1975.16, Battery - Toyota (G9510-47031) | ToyotaPartVA
    Metro Toyota, Kalamazoo, $2256.03 Toyota Parts: Search Results
    Toyota Parts e-Store (Chicago, IL), $2083, 2007 Toyota Prius Electrical Parts & Components battery Battery - OEM Toyota Parts
    Olathe Toyota (Olathe, KS) $1993.28, Battery - Toyota (G9510-47031)
    Austin Toy (Austin, TX), $2588.67, Battery - Toyota (G9510-47031) | Discount Toy
    Gulf Nation Toy (Houston, TX), $2083.88, Battery - Toyota (G9510-47031)
    Camelback Toy (Phoenix, AZ) $2210.73, 2007 Toyota Prius Parts - Camelback Toyota Parts - Genuine OEM Parts - Free Shipping
    San Bernardino Toy (San Bernardino, CA) $2200.80,2007 Toyota Prius Parts - Toyota of San Bernardino Online Parts Store

    But the battery is worth more than the car! Cheaper to continue to drive the depreciated asset until a major repair or accident forces the retirement? This would be cheaper than buying a new or younger used car, esp if you have to finance. You could drop comprehensive, saving a decent amount per year, if you already haven't.

    One of the benefits of new is you could move the entire pack into another Gen2. OR, get a Gen3 with a failed/failing HV Battery and move the modules into Gen3 case.

    Hopefully OP gets a lot of life out of the used HV Battery. Only post your first failure: months of use and mileage. Most likely, I foresee OP trading in the car after a few years, and will have avoided a failure of the "rebuilt" HV Battery.

    Post the picture of the serial numbers. We will decipher what you truly got, as you do not know how to decipher module serial numbers.

    Chris is a ding-dong, and speaks with a forked tounge. There is NO way a 2013 could be better than a 2016. Age, use or lack of it, and heat, are the big killers of the HV Battery. The 2016 saw a theoretical one year of use; if that b/c so darn new. The 2013, saw a theoretical four years of use.

    Ultimately, it is your money and car.
     
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    Uh, ok. Is it me, or was that unnecessarily offensive?
     
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    it's the internet of things.:rolleyes:
     
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    I've noticed that. They are getting close to being added to my short "Ignore" list.
     
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    You've made your decision and thrown the switch. Right or not, criticizing won't help. I saw in the first couple lines that it was going to be a beating of a dead horse and moved on. Please keep us posted on how the "new" battery performs. Lots of us are interested even if we don't live in your vicinity.
     
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    For the benefit of Metrolens. A HOW TO.
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    Candid. Direct. Factual.

    Comments about Chris, obviously an opinion. What was his proof that the 2013 battery is superior to the 2016? To steer you to a 2013 despite the well known reality of age, use, and heat, adversely effect the HV Battery's longevity is suspect.

    Hopefully you have not already "ignored", so you will see this.
    Please post the photo of the modules so the serial numbers can be deciphered.
    Don't you want to see what you truly got?
    Chris says you got a 2013 battery, but how do you know?
    If you have, ignorance is bliss.​