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Another blown head gasket.

Discussion in 'Gen 3 Prius Care, Maintenance & Troubleshooting' started by leeb18c, Sep 7, 2017.

  1. m.wynn

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    My experience with our interference, 3mz Sienna is that cam/crank correlation codes (P0016 in this case) set very easily, a good thing of course. An idler bearing had gone wobbly and the belt was walking it's way into the timing cover and had literally shaved a solid third the width of the belt. The timing compartment was packed full disintegrated timing belt. Tension was disturbingly low but the belt hadn't actually jumped any teeth. My point with all of this is that I'm betting you're ok, although I'm also betting you're pulling the timing cover again...

    Also, there have been some cases of P0011/P0016 in the Gen 2 forums over the years but no reports of damage that I recall, mostly just "runs fine with the code."

    Awesome work!!
     
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    Finally got around to fixing it. I hope the valves are not bent since I can't tell from looking in the cam area and not able to see inside the valve spring. Anyway, the intake cam is 2 teeth off from what's it supposed to be. :( So I just loosen the cams and wiggle the chain around to get to where it's supposed to be as I don't want to remove the chain cover again to do it. All the code are cleared and stay gone for now and engine runs smooth now with oil change. I'll have to see how the fuel economy goes and maybe do a leak down test in the future. Other than to install oil catch can in near future, I have enough of working on car for a while. :)

    If anyone need some copper spray or grey RTV, let me know along HWY 101 between SF and SJ. :)
     
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    One thing I forgot to mention, the crankshaft oil seal that comes with the head gasket kit is no good. It doesn't have metal frame like the original Toyota parts and it's wobbly and leaking oil. I shouldn't have pull the original out since it wasn't leaking oil before. Anyway, I've ordered the Toyota oil seal and will install that when I get it.

    Also installed the oil catch can today while the car was jacked up. I installed it under the intake manifold easily since I don't have the plastic pan below the engine anymore. My only worry is, since it's mounted to engine mount, I hope it doesn't come loose from vibration. Sorry, I forgot to take the last picture with everything connected. I'll do it when I'm down there when I have the car jacked up to install the crankshaft seal.
     

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    Looks like we may have inspired the catch can install after the meet up on Saturday with @RMB ’s OCC :whistle:.

    Good location:). Being below the PCV valve will help ensure no pooling of oil will sit on the downstream side of the valve;).

    Good to talk to you on Saturday and thank you for sharing your experience through the head gasket process (y).
     
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    So is the conclusion the original misfire problem was indeed the head gasket, even though I don't believe there was any obvious damage to it visible when you pulled the head? I don't think there was anything else you did that could have corrected it? Are coolant fluid levels confirmed stable now?

    I assume you put in new spark plugs, but I doubt that could have been it...

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    Ray, it's great to see you all there and Thanks to you for arranging and Marc for hosting it. Yeah, I got the bug from you guys and don't want oil puddle in my intake after I've cleaned it. I'll probably get black hose to further conceal for smog check but for now I'm using the clear hose that comes with the catch can.

    At this point, I've only driven it about 20 miles and 2 heat cycles(with coolant circuit back to normal pressure) and no coolant loss or misfires at all but cannot conclude till I've driven for couple of weeks. I looked for any defects/damage to the block/head/gasket but couldn't find any that jumps out to say so only time will tell.
     
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    If you want to keep the lines you have, there is a member here who works in San Ramon that could help out and avoid changing the lines out ;).
     
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    Thats why I chose the blue can and blue hoses :D:D
     
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    So I replaced the crank oil seal (part number 90080-31049) today and no more oil leak. I can start driving tomorrow. Yay. :) Hopefully, no more problems or I'm going to push it off the cliff. :)

    Here is the pic of my catch can install from the bottom. I'm now worried that those clear hose will collapse at the bend with heat even though I only bend in as big radius as I can. I had problem with my old Honda that those type of hose collapse with heat and I have to replace with black gas hose with thicker wall and more heat resistant. More work. :(
     

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    Is still can't figure out where is this oil catch can mounted on the engine. Is it at the intake manifold at the rear just close to the exhaust manifold, or where?

    Nice pictures though
     
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    Yeah heavier, black rubber fuel lines seem more solid, either SAE-30R6 or R7. I see the latter available at a local automotive store for $1.69 per foot, not hard to get.

    Picture taking looking up from underneath, looks like original U-shaped hose left connected a manifold end.

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    Thanks for the explanations sir!
     
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    Depending on what threads those hose barbs have you may be able to do something like:

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    Maybe overkill? Just going to better spec fuel line, no risk of tube collapse, and more adjustable.
     
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    @Mendel Leisk wanted to ask you bout the inner diameter of those gas pipes you used with your OCC compare to tube diameter that connects pcv valve to IM.
     
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    I've got this:

    inside diameters of the hose between PCV valve and intake manifold:
    valve end: 3/8"
    manifold end: 3/4"?
    hose part number: 12261-37060

    You can readilly easily check that question marked ID, if you take the air box off and pull the hose off. I believe it's 3/4", and of course I didn't measure it when I had the manifold off the car. If you get a more definitive number please post.

    All of the measurements should be behind the nub at end of spigot I think. The nub is a little bigger, helps lock the hose, but it's the OD further along the spigots that count, should correspond with the ID of hose.
     
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    I found the easiest way to check was to have a collection of hoses, various diameters (if you can swing it): try pushing a possible hose on, see if it goes. I had a hose that was 5/8" dia, and it looked like it would go, but way too tight. Which is why I guestimated 3/4".
     
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    I measured them and they are 0.743" on the IM and 0.361 on the Engine side. Essentially, 3/4" and 3/8" as you mentioned.

    I didn't get a chance to stop by local store where I got some several years ago but just going to order this 5' one from Amazon. This should be good enough.

     
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    Everything still good?


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    Any straight hose will collapse if bent too much unless it is molded that way. I have seen hoses use springs inside or out to apply pressure on the walls to prevent collapse. Jegs <-------- click

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