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Better Tyre Configuration for rear and front tyres

Discussion in 'Gen 3 Prius Fuel Economy' started by ikefor, Dec 9, 2017.

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    I'm a regular 43 mpg guy on my 2010 Prius, the car comes with the stock 195/15/55 tyres which i considered ok, but i have this issue where i sometimes scrape the underneath on some bumps around my neighborhood. About three weeks ago, i replaced the two rear tires with 205/55/15, leaving the stock tires in front to document the effect. My mpg went from 42mpg to 47mpg - quite pleased. Recently, i went ahead and introduced two new additional 205/5/15 tires to the front replacing the 195's and took an mpg reduction to 38mpg. In additional, the car feels heavier to throttle response which i know can be as a result of the new bigger tyres which will require some time to break in but i don't think i want to leave these tyres as is.....seriously thinking of going back to the 195 fronts and 205 rear configurations .....I want to know the impact of this configuration, will it have any damage to my car except probably confusing the skid control which will be reading off different rpms from my front and rear tyres?
     
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    tire radius is affecting the speedo/odo/avg mpg.
     
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    I can certainly relate to this and if this is the only trade off without any long term damage then i may have to leave it that way as against risking a damage to my exhaust or anything like that underneath....the other option will be to be extra cautious while while driving past those bumps and any other such bumps for that matter.
     
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    Have I got this right, you went from stock 195/65R15, to 205/55R15? There's some typo's in your post, want to confirm.

    Assuming yes, that's a significant reduction of Outside Diameter. The new OD is smaller by a factor of 95.6%, OD going from 25" to 23.88".
     
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    Will have to confirm these numbers again, i know for a fact that it is a 15 inch rim. The essence of the change was to have more ground clearance and so if i end up with a "significant reduction" in Outer Diameter, then it defeats the purpose. Though visually, the new 205 tyres are obviously higher.
     
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    @ikefor While the difference is minor, you are now running shorter and wider tires than came stock on your 2010. Not only does this throw off your "computer calculated" mpg and "may" effect anti-skid operation, it also defeats your purpose in wanting "more" ground clearance for the vehicle. The provide link will help.

    Tire Size Comparison
     
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    If they look taller, maybe the size is something different. Wait for op to confirm I guess.
     
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    Ok...did confirm, i went from 195/65R15 to 205/65R15 at both rear only initially, and then later went all up to 205/65R15's for all four tires.

    @frodoz737, thanks for the link, it kinda puts things in perspective.

    Like i said, i regularly get 43mpg on the stock 195's, with the first configuration i.e. 205 at the rear, it went up to 48mpg. BTW, with the configuration, i had a minimal increase in ground clearance but not significant compared to the second configuration - all 205's. I do agree that computer calculated mpgs numbers will be off with different tire sizes in front and the rear but that is a trade off which given the circumstances one might be willing to make.
    With the second configuration however, i did not like the handling, let alone the mpg hit to 38mpg. While driving, I could feel the increased motive force required for the vehicle to move which potentially can be attributed somewhat to the drag from the new tires.

    Think i am going to go back to my stock 195's (pictured), suck it up and be a lot more careful around those neighborhood bumps.
     

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    That is an increase in diameter of 1/2", and a 2% reduction in rev's per distance (miles or whatever).
     
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    That small change in tire size did not affect actual mpg that much. Too many uncontrolled variables!
     
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    How do you mean, there where three different changes in tires sizes made and all of them affected mpg differently?
    1. stock 195 / 43mpg
    2. Stock 195 front and 205 Rear / 48 mpg, though skewed from confused hybrid ECU
    3. 205 Front and Rear / 38 mpg with heavy handling and cornering in line new tire expectation

    Driving conditions and terrain remained the same.
     
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    the different tire size effects the speedometer and that throws off the computer so the mpg will be wrong.. get a gps app on your cell phone and put it next to the speedometer.. it will be off by 3 to 5 mph
     
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    Yes, i already concluded to return to my stock 195 tires. At this time, i have the 205's on the car but will change them soon as i return to town, don't want to risk any damage whatsoever to the car and the fact that i will not be getting the true mpg with the 195 / 205 configuration is enough for me to not go back to that configuration.
     
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    Color me skeptical. In real life, conditions hardly ever remain near enough to the same to justify those conclusions, from single tests of each tire combination.
     
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    I agree with you, i have not done any specific empirical tests with regards to how each of the tire combinations affect mpg, beyond documenting what was recorded by the vehicle under my usual driving pattern over the specified period of time. Main reason for starting this thread was really to confirm what i had in mind which was that the 195's in front and 205's at the rear presented a false computation due to the differences in computer recorded rpm's plus the likelihood of damage to the vehicle's skid control. In all honestly, this is by no means a conclusion to deduce that one tire combination is better or yields a better mpg as indicated. Personally, staying with the 205's in the front and rear would have been a nice to have given that it gives me enough ground clearance which was what i was also looking for, but i am not willing to make the trade off given the mpg hit to 38 mpg and probably less. In addition, i am already used to the driving and handling of the car with the stock 195 tires which i consider more pleasurable than the heavy handling from the 205 tires. so to be candid, yes YMMV!
     
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    This is sort of a dangerous and misleading thread, with a dangerous and misleading title.
    Mixing tire sizes is NOT a "better tire configuration for rear and front tires".
    No manufacturer recommends mixing tire sizes.

    And the OP was "quite pleased" with nothing. As the MPG gain was just an illusion created by the now flawed input being delivered to the computer.

    I would simply recommend...keep tires on your vehicles in matching size. It can be a safety issue.
     
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    @The Electric Me, the thread may be misleading if one does not get the general direction of the thread. Personally, it provided an avenue for me to make some some informed decision.

    Yes, of course i was pleased as anything that will give me that sort of bump in mpg is worth looking into....however, at the back of my mind, i realized that something was amiss due to the two different tire sizes - it just did not feel right, what better place to have the discussion and have others wade in on it than PC. And infact, based on the discussions, went away with some key information as indicated in the next quote.


    The fact still remains that there may be other people who may find themselves in the same position, wanting to have an increased ground clearance by changing the tire sizes but cannot change all 4 of them at once, or even might want to know the effect of running two tire sizes in their car just like i did. if this thread enables them understand better about the impact of that decision then it would have provided some vital information.
     
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    I'm NOT against exploration and experiment.
    But when you have a title that suggests something is a benefit...
    "Better Tire Configuration for rear and front tires".
    That opens with the erroneous suggestion that the mismatched configuration resulted in better MPG?

    That's NOT the best way to disseminate the information that mismatched tires sizes are a BAD idea.

    One single google search of the terms "Different Tire Sizes on Vehicle" returns an avalanche from various sources that all agree on one thing. It's a bad idea, potentially both mechanically damaging as well as being unsafe.
    That's about all anyone who is searching for a better understanding about the idea needs to know.
     
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    There are a number of variables here that are uncontrolled, any of which alone or in combination affect fuel economy. After you replaced the tires, did you drive exactly the same routes? At exactly the same temperatures? In exactly the same weather conditions, with exactly the same windspeed and direction? Were the new tires exactly as worn as the old ones? Was traffic exactly the same--I mean exactly, not as heavy or as light, but encountering exactly the same cars at exactly the same time along your route, at exactly the same speeds? Was HVAC use exactly the same? If the answer to any of these questions is "no," then we can't say with any degree of certainty that your observed variations in mileage are attributable to the tires. If you want to isolate an effect, you have to control the other variables that influence that effect; this is the basis for scientific observation, and without it we are superstitious pigeons.
     
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