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    Does anyone know if the Lutz property in the Keys survived the last hurricane?

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    Learn from history? I very much doubt it, because it has such a habit of repeating itself.
     
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    I am not sure if Tesla is going out of business, but a new study published in Torque News shows that Toyota is greener than Tesla. This is surprising.
     
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    Sure, lots of studies, lots of pundits, lots of incorrect assumptions.

    First - you aren't sure if tesla is going out of business? I'm sure in 200 years they will no longer be in business as a small auto and solar panel company ;-) Hell chrysler isn't even out of business, and its gotten bailed out by tax payers twice, and for the life of me, I don't quite understand the second time. Now tesla, it may run out of investors to keep giving it cheap money, but its assets are worth a whole lot more to the US economy (and chinese) than Chrysler. Fiat chrysler has half the market cap of tesla, but I expect that within the next couple of decades they ask for another bail out.

    As for Newsweek's definition of a green corporation, I think its sort of sad. Their main criteria is dollars of sales versus energy used and water used. Its a pretty bad definition of green. A wind turbine manufacturer that used only mainly recycled material and manufactured with solar power would come out badly on that score compared to a maker of coal power plants (actually companies that do one often do anouther, but you understand the problem).
     
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    Looks like UPS doesn't want to be left out of the low overhead cost truck phenomena that is quickly approaching. They just put a deposit in for a measly 125 e-tractors.
    Dang!

    UPS Pre-Orders 125 Tesla Electric Trucks - NASDAQ.com
    These companies are simply ridiculous, slowing down the inevitable tesla bankruptcy

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    Worse yet, that roadster that will never be built because of the bankrupcy lutz and the shorters know about, has already spawned a really cool 3 motor layout, that will probably make the X, S, and model 3.

    Watch a Tesla Model S prototype with 3 electric motors drift on snow and wet pavement | Electrek
    I mean every one knows you need 2 motors like in the lexus LSh. Those idiots over tesla and magna are adding the cost of an extra controller, and motor, and don't even put in the obvious engine you need to go over 100 miles. And its drifting, I mean that must mean an accident right maximum bob?

    Tesla Week: Model 3 Goal Of 5,000 Per Week Doable? Reports

    Maximum bob has 2 companies, and although he doesn't yet have the 6 bankruptcies that trump has, but his part in the gm bankrupcy was a doozie. The first Via buys gm vehicles then adds batteries and motors and transmissions and makes them phevs. The second vlf, takes a phev the fisker karma takes the efficient engine and batteries and electronics out, then puts in ... a gm engine and transmission. The theory goes the car manufacturers had it backwards and lots of money to be made making phevs into ice only cars, and ice only trucks and vans into phevs. So far they haven't hit one milestone. My bet is they will hit bankruptcy but bob lutz will have pulled investors money out and end up blaming someone else. I mean it can't be his fault. I'm betting lutz - 3 bankrupcies, musk 0. I guess if you reward too big to fail then lutz is winning.