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Discussion in 'Gen 2 Prius Main Forum' started by plastermaster, Feb 28, 2013.

  1. plastermaster

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    I did a search first but did not find anything, so here goes. Sorry if there are a hundred similar posts :)

    My 07 has 149K on it and I never have checked the oil. I do have it changed every 5K and no one has ever mentioned it coming in low. My last oil change was at 145K and about 2000 miles later the master warning light would come on when I slowed down fast, especially if there was a turn. I noticed this on the twisties driving up the west coast. The problem then went away after a couple hundred miles. Then recently it started doing it again and so I checked my fluid levels everywhere just in cast that might be throwing the warning light and found my dipstick was bone dry. I am surprised the warning was so general. Why not an oil light? or an oil pressure warning? WHen the master light came on, the screen just said "problem". Kinda vague for such a specific and important matter. My guess is that the oil got so low that the oil pump sucked some air due to the acceleration when cornering or stopping. (negative acceleration).

    My question is what would make it start using oil suddenly. True I didn't check it b4 so I have nothing to compare it to, but as we all know, the Prii do not use much oil and if in fact it was so low that it was sucking air 2000 miles after an oil change, they either forgot to add oil or else it started using the 1 qt/ 600 miles that the owners manual tries to tell us is normal. I seriously doubt they shorted me on the last change.
    BTW I added some oil :) Any ideas?
    Thanks
    Ron
     
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    check you oil level every so often now, to see if it is still using up oil
    if not, then whoever changed the oil last time did not put any or enough in
     
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    Re: never checking the oil, there's your problem.

    And, not checking your oil when you had the 1st set of symptoms probably led to the increased oil consumption. It seems your master warning light was your oil pressure warning, which means oil is dangerously low already. VERY few cars have any sort of oil level warning.

    I wouldn't be surprised if you're going to have high oil consumption from this point forward due to neglect. Yours is not the 1st time I've seen posts here of the same sequence of events: oil unchecked, master warning, discover oil is low, oil consumption is high from that point forward.
     
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    " but as we all know, the Prii do not use much oil"


    What? Who knows that? Countless threads here over the last 7 years complaining of high oil consumption in high mileage cars.

    And here's how you can guarantee your Prius will start consuming oil:

    Never check the oil....let it run down to almost empty just once..then it burns up the oil rings on the pistons and damages the cylinder walls.

    Hilarity & high oil consumption ensues.
     
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    Agreed... Basically your inability to regularly check your oil level means you pretty much destroyed the engine and the problem will continue to get worse until you'll soon have no other option but find a low mileage used engine to install in the broken ones place. Lesson learned...
     
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    Hi Plastermaster. It's hard to say just how "sudden" the onset of oil consumption was. Since you never checked the oil in the past, then you can't really say for sure how sudden or gradual it was. Only it's discovery was sudden.

    I suspect that the oil consumption probably started out gradually. Many of us see a small amount of oil consumption after about 100k miles. Usually is pretty manageable and progresses extremely slowly so long as you top off and ever let it get too low.

    It's hard to say why it suddenly didn't make it the 5k miles that it had before. Sometimes a change in driving conditions or a different brand oil will increase the consumption. It may have been a slight underfill or a combination of all of those factors. It may also have been at the point where you were already getting significantly sub-optimal lubrication towards the end of your oil change intervals, and had already been experiencing higher than normal wear. Perhaps the person changing your oil was assuming that you were monitoring the levels and he was simply draining and refilling without paying any attention to the amount drained.

    In any case, you probably will be getting even higher consumption now, as the engine wear will likely have accelerated after the latest event. It may still be manageable though, so get the oil changed (use 5W30) and start monitoring it every 500 to 1000 miles and find out exactly what sort of consumption you've got.
     
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    Another item to consider is the PCV valve. Have you ever had it changed or changed it yourself, if not this could contribute to oil consumption if not working properly.

    I hope not to much damage has been done to your engine but this could be an expensive lesson in checking fluid levels of your car on a regular basis no matter what make or model of car.

    Not keeping the oil topped up "not overfill" does not only cause bore and ring wear but can cause a connecting rod to burst it's way out of the side of the engine with no warning as the big end bearings cry enough.

    I know I keep mentioning the UK driving test, but in the UK showing the examiner you know how and where the various fluids are checked and topped off is part of our driving exam. This shows how important the government believe this is for road safety.

    John (Britprius)
     
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    Why in a rush to make conclusion, guys? Let's see what's the regular consumption is first.

    My 2004 "suddenly" consumes 1qt/2K since 150K miles, with no warning, and I did regularly check oil, never let it run lower than the low limit on the stick. So maybe it is a normal problem due to age and no need to worry too much.
     
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    Yea... you're probably right... At the same time many of us have had bad moments in our car driving lives when we screwed up and were irresponsible and damaged our vehicle. This situation very much seems like one of those moments. For the owner's sake hopefully not, but we'll see?
     
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    No rush. Facts are there. Never checked the oil. Who knows exactly how low the oil went maybe empty but I bet it went real low. Nothing but bad comes from that. And like I said...run it close to empty on a high mileage car and it will surely damage the oil rings in the pistons and scuff the crap out of the cyl walls. If you drive it hard like that it will take out the main or rod bearing also. A conclusion I guarantee.

    To many posts with the same scenario.
     
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    An acquaintance's five year old 2012 Prius c with 75,000 miles had no oil consumption. He consistently changed the oil on time and it never needed topping off. Then one 50 degree F (10 degree C) day in a traffic jam, he had a "Low Oil Pressure" light. He pulled off the next exit ramp after a mile and it needed 3 quarts of oil, which he added one quart at a time, checking the level in between. He drove it straight to the shop where they found it had a leak "in the part between the oil pump and the engine" (the driver's words, not the mechanics), so when the oil pump pumped, oil was squirting out onto the road. So there's an unknown (to me) part near the oil pump that can fail as the engine ages. This part seems to have failed catastrophically since his last oil change. The good news is that he was able to successfully drive several minutes under these conditions without destroying the engine, despite the fact that I advised him to park it immediately when he called me for advice when the light came on in traffic.
     
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    welcome! i think there's a timing chain cover or something that has a defective gasket.
     
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    Your in the G2 forum. Never heard of an oil leak issue like that on a G3. Post that over on the G3 forum Repair & Maintenance section
    see if anyone has seen that before. Sounds more like the oil filter came loose.as the oil pump is internal to the engine and cant really leak outside of the engine.
     
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    Wow! I started this thread in early '13 and never was notified of any replies. When I start a thread I feel it impolite to not continue participating or at least acknowledge the help offered.

    So, I now have over 223K on my prius and it has continued to burn oil at about a qt every 600. Seems pretty consistent with oil usage. I dont think there is any leaking at the pump because when my car is serviced (and I specifically asked my shop about oil usage) the engine is clean and shows no sign of leaks. Never a spot in the driveway either and I think even if it only leaked when running it would still have some post drip at rest.

    I could perhaps have scuffed up cylinders and burnt rings or whatever else, but I don't believe I have lost any power over time. My fuel economy is about 90% of what it once was but that started after my first tire replacement. I go with the LRR tires but they never seemed to do as well as the original, but at least they last longer.

    Also I was a little fast and loose with saying I never checked the oil. But for all practical purposes its not far off. I did check the oil a few times early on but then became neglectful because it never was low. Probably never checked it after the first 30K or so.

    Needless to say, I now check my oil regularly :)

    Now for a new question: given the possible damage with rings and bearings, is there any warnings to look out for b4 the engine realizes an early demise? Most of my driving is now in rural areas with spotty cell reception. Not the best place for a catastrophic break down.

    Thanks all for your input.
     
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    Yes the warning you get is knocking engine apparently thats the piston rod wrist pin failing on cylinder #2. All the reports of pistons through the block on this site and youtube have been cylinder #2.

    A quart every 600 miles is alot of oil. Drive it till it explodes.
     
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    Nah! This baby's making the 300K mile club if I don't sell it. :)
     
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