Lithium traction battery degradation - 2012 plugin

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How much of that is related to ambient (outside) temperature? I know you are in Orlando, so you don't experience the same kind of cold the rest of us get, but if you were looking at your range this morning (when it is close to freezing down there, according to my weather map), you would have probably seen 20% less than on a normal day.

 

If I keep my Energi long term, this is what I'm thinking about doing. I'll call it a "super hybrid".

Used plug-in batteries are reeeeeeeal cheap right now. I found several for the Volt (huge 16kwh battery) for less than $1,000. Heck, used gen 2 prius batteries cost more than that! Supply and demand.

Here's the rub: most folks don't have the means to properly store a spare LiOn battery for months or years while waiting for their original to crap out. Hopefully a nice repair/rebuild cottage industry will develop just like it did for NiMh chemistries.

 

My 2012 with 60k still gives about 8 miles (without A/C turned on), and I live in a hilly area with cold winters and drive on high-speed roads always fully discharging. That would seem to be worst case, but your range is even less in a warm area with few hills. Do you have an extended warranty through which you can try to claim a defective battery?

 

32 degrees in orlando this morning.

 

That’ll do it.

 

have you owned it since new?

without more info, we can't help you, except to say no one has ever had to replace a pip battery.
except maybe one case when the car wouldn't go at all and dealer put a new one in under warranty.

 

I'm showing about 10.5 miles predicted EV range on my 2013. It was 29° when I left for work this morning. It's a pretty demanding commute, too. Speed limits of 45-60 with lots and lots of stops, many too sudden to regenerate.

 

Can the dealership do "hybrid health check"* on the PIP battery? I think they charge around $100 for this? At least then you're not in the dark regarding battery status.

* Google "Toyota hybrid health check" for more info. Toyota UK is promoting this, but it must be possible for North American dealerships to perform this too?

 

That's just nuts, 43F here right now.

 

You’ve already headed south.

Now you just have to work on going west.

 

no, i'm just keeping a weather eye out. 29 january, God willing.

 

Seems about right for that kind of operational temperature. The EV range on that PiP always drops in winter. I’m of course assuming that’s 32 degrees Fahrenheit


iPad ? Pro

 

Was that the Fahrenheit or Celsius scale?


iPad ? Pro

 

U.S., so Fahrenheit scale.

 

The range estimation for me always drops by about a mile in winter, even though the effective range that I can drive in EV mode doesn't seem to change so much. I'm in a very temperate climate though, rarely goes below freezing in winter and summer averages are about 15C/60F. I've never heard the battery fans go on while driving (only when charging).

I also lost significant range when one of the rear brake caliper slide pins seized - so if your rear brakes are making noise or wearing unevenly, be sure to check them out ASAP.

 

LOL. Stealers.....

A quick search on flea-bay, shows numerous used PIP batts ranging in price (with shipping) from $1200-2500 so you have options. Now the question becomes, how long can this LiOn chemistry sit without maintenance? By the time willyag and other PIP owners actually need or want a used replacement, will these still be good?