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  1. Freebird

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    Hi everyone,

    A brief history: I've been driving a 1992 Honda Accord for 25 years, and I've been thinking about trading it in for the past several years. Which I just did a few days ago, for a 2007 Prius (with 98K miles). My mechanic checked it out and it's in good shape. But after all those years of driving a 92 Accord, the culture shock is off the charts. I'm giving myself a crash course on the Prius, reading the owner's manual, and I feel lucky to have found this forum, but I still have some questions.

    One important bit of information about me – I have a serious case of repetitive strain injury, which means it is difficult for me to do anything strenuous with my hands or arms. Even pushing a button can be problematic if I have to push down too hard. I can push the buttons inside the car OK, but pushing the lock/unlock on the smart key is very difficult for me, as is constantly taking out and replacing the mechanical key (because of the tiny little lever I have to push while simultaneously removing the key). So basically, locking and unlocking the car is a huge pain right now.

    One other key piece of information, so to speak – being used, the car only came with one smart key. Until I got home and read the manual, I didn't even realize there were supposed to be two keys. When I told the dealer I was having trouble locking and unlocking the car, he offered to change the battery on the master key. But I don't think he knew exactly what he was doing, because when he put it back together the casing is loose and comes apart sometimes. He promised to get me another key from Toyota.

    OK so, my questions: I read the thread on what every newbie needs to know, and it says to ALWAYS lock the car. But if I take the smart key with me, and the immobilizer light is flashing, is that really necessary? It would be so much easier when I go to the store to leave the car unlocked rather than constantly having to fumble with removing the mechanical key, which hurts me. Also, I'm guessing that doesn't mean the car has to be locked when it is safely inside the garage?

    Second question: would it be possible for me to get a duplicate made of just the mechanical key? If I have a regular key I can carry just for locking and unlocking the doors, that would really help me out.

    Any advice or suggestions would be greatly appreciated! Thanks for reading :)
     
  2. TMR-JWAP

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    You need to check to see if the SKS is deactivated. There is a button under the steering wheel that must be in the out position. You should never need to take the key fob out of your pocket.

    When SKS is working, the door will unlock as you approach, the door can be locked by pressing the black button on the handle when you exit.
     
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    Welcome to the fold! I drove a '98 Volvo when I bought my '07 Prius last July. I too was a bit culture-shocked at first, but as I became familiar with the car and its features all became second nature.

    First of all, forget about using the metal key. It is only there in case your battery dies and you need to get into the car. The way you lock and unlock the car is by touching the door handle. To lock it you actually have to do a bit more than touch. You need to press that black rubber button. To unlock you only need to put your hand inside the loop of the handle as if you are about to pull on it to open the door. As soon as your hand touches the inside of the handle, the car will unlock itself. This is assuming you have SKS (Smart Key System) and it is enabled (the appropriate push button below the steering wheel needs to be in the "on" position) and the battery in your key fob is not dead. That is all there is to it. No metal key is required and you should not use it unless you are locked out of the car while its battery is dead.

    Also, if SKS is present in your car and is activated, then you also do not need to plug the key into the key slot. You just need to have in the car with you. I just keep my keys in my pocket. Once you get used to that, you will love it, believe me.

    You do not need to lock your car every time you get out of it. I am not sure why that is suggested other than it is a good check that you haven't left the key in the car or one of the doors is not fully closed (it will refuse to lock in those cases). However, as I pointed out above, locking this car is as easy as pushing that black rubber button. If it's too painful for you to do so, then don't worry about it.

    Do insist, if you can, on getting a second key as they are expensive and if you loose your only key you will be in for a lot of inconvenience. The new key needs to be programmed to work with your car.
     
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    Locking the car can alert you if the vehicle hasn't been placed in 'park' or powered off correctly, at least it has for me in the past.
     
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    Thank you so much to all of you for your replies.

    I tried setting the smart key system. There are two buttons under the steering wheel, one says "key" and the other says "set." I tried several different configurations of pressing those buttons, and I could never get the car to start without inserting the key fob – even if I held it right next to the insertion point. And when the doors are locked, from outside the car I simply cannot unlock the doors without using the mechanical key.

    What's worse, every time I remove the mechanical key, the main fob falls apart. I have to press it back together, and it only holds its shape when the mechanical key is inserted. I think the dealer must have really messed up this key when he replaced the battery.

    I'm going to call him shortly, but I'm getting very nervous here. Until I get the new key (hopefully!), which I imagine will take at least a few days, locking and unlocking the doors is a huge problem for me. So I ask again – could I leave the car unlocked for short amount of time while I go into the store? Or could I take the mechanical key to a locksmith and have a duplicate made? Just so I can use the car to do errands until I get this problem fixed?

    ETA – I just got off the phone with the dealer. He says he can have a new key for me tomorrow. I sure hope he's right! Thank you so much for all your advice.
     
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    The button labelled 'Key' is for the sks system and must be in the 'out' position for sks to work. The button is put in the 'in' position to disable sks, which will help the 12v battery last longer during times where the car may sit unused for extended periods of time.

    The button labelled 'set' is for the tire pressure monitoring sensors

    When you press any of the buttons on the fob, does the little red light in to upper right corner illuminate? I'm betting your dealer installed the battery incorrectly or maybe even the incorrect battery.

    You can purchase new plastic fob cases for less than 10 bucks. They also come with a new, uncut key. All you have to do is transfer the internal circuit board and your 'cut' key to the new case. Also make sure you transfer the RFID chip from the old case to the new one. The RFID chip is what the car detects when you insert the fob into the slot on the dash. This should only be required if the fob battery dies, or the fob circuit board has failed.
     
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    Sorry, one more question. When I took the mechanical key out as I was trying to set the SKS system, the fob fell apart and now I can't get it to stay together again. I don't suppose I could use something like scotch tape to hold this thing together? Forget locking the car, now I'm worried I might not be able to drive it with this key constantly falling apart.

    @ TMR – Yes thank you. I did have the key button in the out position, and the SKS would not set. And no, the little red light doesn't come on. Nothing happens when I press any buttons on the fob. So I'm sure you're right the dealer just completely screwed up when he tried to install the new battery.

    Buying a new fob sounds like a great idea.
     
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    Yes, leaving the car unlocked with the FOB in your pocket will prevent someone from stealing the car (in theory) but would still allow them access to the unlocked vehicle.

    Yes, you can take the mechanical key to any hardware store that makes regular car keys and have it duplicated. No locksmith required.

    Make sure the new key this dealer offers you actually works with the SKS feature, maybe even ask for two keys since the first key is now fubar.
     
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    Do whatever is needed to keep the key in a physical shape that allows you to put it into the fob slot.

    Once you have a fully functioning fob you will no longer need to place it into a slot.
     
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    When you say it's falling apart, do you mean just the back cover with the toyota symbol falls off?

    The small lever gets slid to the side to unlock and remove the key. The small lever is also slid to the side to remove the back cover. To remove the back cover, the lever is slid to the side and the cover is then slid upward. The cover does not just snap back into place, it must be slid back into position about 80% of the way, then the lever needs to be slid to the side and held again, then the cover is slid the rest of the way in to lock in place.
     
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    No problem making a spare mechanical key for the Gen 2. I have one for my wife's '07.

    This dealer really messed up. Not only did he put the fob together wrong, it sounds like it's not even an original with that car. I have one for my wife's that's like that. It works, but I have to insert it. (The one she carries works normally.) If you don't have an original fob, getting one from scratch is hundreds of dollars if I have my facts straight.

    There is detailed info starting on page 19 of the owner's manual.
     
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    Thanks again everybody!

    @tmr – The fob is split in two, so you could say the front cover is off, or the back cover. I tried to follow your directions for putting the two covers back together, but I couldn't get it to work. Finally I just wrapped the fob in some scotch tape. I can still start the car, so this will do until I get the new key.

    @Jerry – Yes, I think you're right the dealer screwed up big time. Well, at least it's a minor issue and hopefully fixed tomorrow.

    Again, I really appreciate all the advice. I'm looking forward to getting this issue behind me so I can focus more on learning about all the great things this car can do.
     
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    (Sorry, A Pedant writes:) The interior lights will come on as you approach, but the car will only unlock when you place your fingers around the handle! (…it's programmable as to which doors will unlock, driver's, driver's & passenger's, all four plus hatch (see p49 destruction manual)) and (BTW) a couple of years ago, I noticed the SKS on my 2009 Gen II started to get flakey (sometimes it would work, other times it wouldn't! :eek:) cause = dying 12V AuxBattery! ;)
     
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    Personally, I think it is important to lock the car, regardless of the immobilizer. It is just another step against theft, not just of the car, but of anything inside. Even if you don't leave anything of physical value, there may be personal information inside that can facilitate identity theft. If there is a way to have the car unlock as you approach, that is, to me, the best option.
     
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    WTH, you mean if I turn my interior lights from the off position (always leave them off until needed) they will auto illuminate once I approach the vehicle? :cautious:

    If the prius can do that, then why can't it auto lock the car when I walk away from it? o_O

    Might be time for me to RTFM :whistle:
     
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    Oh! One thing, @Freebird. I don't remember you saying if the logo on the fob was black or silver. I'm pretty sure the SKS ones are silver and non-SKS are black logos.
     
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    Mine turns the interior lights on when I linger near the car a bit. It has to be locked for that to happen. Usually I unlock it (by touching the handle) before the interior lights come on. But if I don't grab the handle right away and stand there for a moment, the interior lights come on.

    However it will not auto-lock itself when you leave. Not sure why, but most likely due to the way Toyota meant it to be. You may not always want the car to be locked when walking away. Or some such reasoning. It's probably possible to have it auto-lock with some software changes.
     
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    you can order a new case and switch the guts over, they sell on e bay for around 10 bucks.. just search prius fob case
     
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    I mean, there are 3 positions of the switches on each of the interior lights (front and rear) 1. "ON" 2. "OFF" 3. "DOOR"
    In the "OFF" position, the lamps are "OFF" (i.e. not illuminated), in the "ON" position, the lamps are "ON" (i.e. illuminated), in the "DOOR" position the lamps are illuminated when a door is open, and not illuminated when the doors are closed, also, when you approach the car (having the SKS fob in your pocket), the interior lights will illuminate¹ :)eek:) much to the astonishment of everyone else! (if the SKS is not disabled (see p. 4 Gen II destruction manual))

    ¹ I just tell people that the car must be really happy to see me!
     
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