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Just had a rebuilt HV Battery Installed... Fingers Crossed

Discussion in 'Gen 2 Prius Care, Maintenance and Troubleshooting' started by cjannes, Feb 24, 2018.

  1. cjannes

    cjannes Junior Member

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    I got the Red Triangle, the VSC, and Check Engine Light last week on my 2005 Gen 2. I took it to the dealer to have the codes checked out and it came back as needing a new HV Battery.

    WHAT I WANTED TO DO:
    Well, money is tight, so I went online to check out my options and I found Green Bean Battery. I booked an appointment for the next day and was expecting to get a rebuilt battery, installed, with a 5 year warranty, for just under $1550. However, I got an email later that night saying that the appointment I booked online wasn't actually available. Then I got another email the next morning that said I was too far away from the nearest installer, so they canceled the appointment. Tim, who I believe is the owner, called me personally and apologized about the double mix-ups. They seem to be having some growing pains in their California service area. I was bummed, but I appreciated the personal call and follow up. Nice guys and a good price.

    WHAT I ENDED UP DOING:
    I went to my local franchisee of the Hybrid Shop. The rebuilt battery was $1900 out the door and the owner took a ton of time explaining their cell balancing process, and answering all my questions and detailing the pros and cons of a rebuild. I felt really well taken care of, not rushed, and I got a free loaner for two days while my car was in the shop. The rebuilt HV battery comes with a 3-year transferable warranty, but there is a stipulation in the warranty that I have to have the car inspected every 120 days by them. Luckily they are 3 minutes away from me or that could have been a real hassle. They have had a brick-and-mortar shop open for quite some time, which offers some reassurance as well, versus a guy coming to my driveway to install it and then driving away. As part of the install, they also put in reconditioned bus bars, and they cleaned out the fan system for the battery pack.

    WHAT I MAYBE SHOULD HAVE DONE:
    The dealer wanted about $2600 to install a new battery. Again, money is tight. I called and asked if there was any wiggle room in the price and I was told that they were already undercutting themselves too much. I was told labor for the battery replacement was about 6 hours and that they were going to be losing money on the labor at the price quoted (by the way... why does the mobile installer need 1 hour, and Toyota, with all of the perfect equipment, need 6 hours of labor!). They also didn't have a loaner, and they wanted more money to clean the fan. But, it would have been a new, dealer-installed battery. After reading a bunch of other comments here, I should have asked for some goodwill from Toyota. I am the original owner, and even though I am outside the battery warranty time period (12y3m), I am inside the mileage range (I am at about 130,000 miles). I take my car to the dealer for everything. Majors. Minors. Even tires. I think there are been 5 times in 12 years where I had the oil changed at a local shop. Every other service was at the dealer. My problem was that I always felt the dealer charged me the max. I got a break on tires once since my car chews through tires (I had 18 tires replaced in 12 years). I also felt like they wanted me in and out very quickly and that I never got all of the answers. I now see from reading a lot of posts on here that Toyota can be very fair with goodwill on batteries, especially when the car has been serviced at the dealership for 90% of the services over 12 years. I was desperate to get my car back and wish I had done more Prius Chat research and then pursued the goodwill, because if I could have gotten Toyota to comp $700, then it would have been a match to the rebuilt battery cost.

    So, car is running. Hybrid Shop owner is super cool and helpful. Car will need to go in 3 times a year for an inspection (likely because there are a slew of other issues that might cause an HV battery problem), and I've hopefully got more then three years of life left in my Prius.
     
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    Holy crap......
     
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    I'm thinking this is a full on mechanic shop? The 3 times a year checkup is there to get additional business, like brake service and oil changes
     
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    Or they know they need to recondition the battery to have any chance of meeting that warranty.
     
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    But that could take hours. Or that's their way to get out of a warranty if you miss a checkup.
     
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    I didn’t read in the OP how long they said it would be “serviced” during the 120 day visit.

    Maybe they have a Prolong Pro setup there:whistle:.
     
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    Being that I have a bit cynical thinking, it's a way to get out of the warranty. Nothing else to it
     
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    I try to keep my glass half full;).

    But it does seem to be a way to ensure a solid pipeline of opportunities :whistle:.
     
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    I just discovered the 120-day clause in the contract. I have an email in to the owner to get more info on this. I’m hoping it’s just a 5 minute drop in to see if any codes have been thrown. I’ll know more by Monday.

    I’m having a bit of rebuilder’s remorse and wish I would have asked the dealership about the goodwill. I’ll probably be fine, especially since the dealership always seemed to sell me something whenever I went in. And... they wanted 6 hours to put the battery in, so that gave me pause as well.
     
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    It's fine to get 3 year warranty. Your car will be over 16 years old when warranty ends
     
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    Shame you didn't know about goodwill gesture/assistance. Now you do. Very likley would have have gotten something, given your near 100% dealer service records. People who got goodwill asistance, often times paid anywhere just under $1K to $2K; this was when a new OEM battery was North of $2K. The amounts seemed to depend on how far outside of warranty (time & mileage) and amount of dealer service the person paid for.

    A new OEM HV battery will most likely give you another 8-10+ years of trouble free operation, easily. A rebuild will NOT.

    Dealer would have likely wanted $75-$150 for fan cleaning. This really should be included in the cost or HV Battery replacement.

    6 hours labor is the manufacture time estimate for HV Battery replacement. Will it take them 6 hours? Maybe 4 hours, but they charge 6 irregardless. A new OEM HV battery is an involved process as some components (various ECUs) from old HV Battery have to get transferred to new OEM HV Battery, thus the lengthy time. The wear components, the modules, are all 100% brand new.

    A mobile installer needs minutes, b/c:
    1) he will be installing a ready-to-go hv battery pack, made of frankenstein modules, and take your old pack with him. You will be living "Ground Hog Day," like Bill Murrary.
    2) will just pop off the top case cover, and replace the problematic module or module pair. You will be broken in minutes/hours/days/weeks again.
    Hence the time difference, but there is a significant difference in outcome as measured by reliability.

    If you are physically able, you may want to consider doing some DIY. The Prius is low maintenance when compared to other cars. You could always pay for tasks that you are not comfortable doing. Oil change and tire rotation should be in everyone capabilities, unless you have physical limitation(s).

    Dealership is an expensive operation: lots of labor, oftentimes remodeled facility with nice ammenities, and the beloved exterior car wash post visit. Guess who is paying for all of this?

    The Surprising Source Of Car Dealers' Profits - Business Insider
    Profit margins based on Penske Automotive Group, 326 USA and UK dealerships:
    8% profit from new vehicle sales.
    57% profit margin from service and parts.

    Other publically traded auto dealerships had a higher profit margin from service.

    Finance and Insurance dept can easily be a 20% profit center.
     
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    Heard back from the shop owner today. He said that they need to check the car 3x per year to make sure it isn't throwing any codes. He said that the battery could die if other parts of the car are malfunctioning and they don't want to have to replace a battery if something else caused the issue.

    He said it's a 5 min visit only to hook up the OBD-II Scanner and then off I go.
     
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    all the best!(y)