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Self-driving Uber car kills pedestrian in Tempe, AZ

Discussion in 'Fred's House of Pancakes' started by pilotgrrl, Mar 19, 2018.

  1. bisco

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    the mfg's that want to put autonomous cars on the road should pay, but you're right, it's always political.
     
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    Seems like there should be something about stopping in post 123.
     
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    Yes. I don't think it means "You must drive as fast as you can see, even on a beautiful day in the Outback," as that would be 1000km/h or more. I think it means "Don't drive any faster than you can see, but also limit your speed according to your ability to avoid hazards and stuff." Less catchy, though.

    I had to drive a friend to Orange (on the other side of the Blue Mountains) a few weeks ago. When we were going over the mountains, it was foggy: although the speed limit was 80km/h, I slowed to about 45km/h, and had my foglights on. Others - people I had overtaken earlier when it was clear - did not slow, and passed me. These people did 80km/h when it was clear (when I passed them at 88), because 80 was the speed limit. And they did 80 when they couldn't see, because 80 was the speed limit. They all disappeared off ahead of me. Five minutes later, I found all five cars, in a pile-up. I had driven as fast as I could see, and therefore didn't crash. They drove as fast as they were allowed to, and did crash. Muppets. No-one was seriously injured, but still...
     
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    must be face book patrons.
     
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    It is always weird when cars zoom past and later you find them broken.
     
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    try a lumber truck at about 85mph in north carolina, only to see it a few miles down the road on its side in a ditch, toothpicks strewn everywhere.
     
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    Ok fog-overspeeding and physics-overspeeding. We might suppose a sensible company (may exclude Uber) would allow its auto-autos to do neither.
     
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    if all vehicles were autonomous, no one would ever be late (unless they left late) and there would be no need for speeding.
     
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    As the great (small) man once said, "I feel the needing... the needing for speeding". Or something.
     
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    if all vehicles were autonomous and never hit anything of perceived value.
     
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    Indeed. Cars can be as autonomous and as close to infallible as you like, but people can still walk out in front of them.
     
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    That rotating camera thingy is the lidar.

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    You need some understanding of cyberforensics or how hacking works to determine how willing you may be to use an autonomous vehicle.

    My opinion? They're not ready to be used on the streets yet. They need to learn more about environments and how unexpected things could happen.

    A more measured approach should be taken. What that is, I don't know.

    All I know is that the New York Times reported "On Tuesday, Toyota Motor said that it, too, was suspending its tests of autonomous vehicles on public roads near its research center in Ann Arbor, Mich., and in the San Francisco area.

    Toyota has a fleet of test vehicles that can drive themselves, although engineers and safety drivers ride along to take control if necessary — the same arrangement that was used in the Uber vehicle that fatally struck a pedestrian in Tempe.

    “We’ve told our drivers to take a couple of days off so we can assess the situation,” said Rick Bourgoise, a Toyota spokesman.


    The company is continuing to test autonomous vehicles at three enclosed proving grounds — two in Ann Arbor that are affiliated with the University of Michigan, and another known as GoMentum Station, a former naval weapons station in Concord, Calif."

    Toyota Takes Self-Driving Cars Off Road After Uber Accident https://nyti.ms/2udMb9N

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    No problem, we'll just outlaw pedestrians!
    Better yet, just outlaw humans, and let those great machines take over... there was some movie...??!!

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    I have no problem with self driving cars. No people that is a different story. We live in a world were people constantly do very dangerous and stupid things and yet when we think of machines running things we worry that people might get hurt, as Though the people are innocent in every action and NOT the cause of their own grief. In the above photo you see a guy jaywalking his bicycle across a roadway in basically dark clothes at night except for his white tennis shoes. His location is no place close to a corner and the fact he is not dressed to be very visible makes me thing he is the cause of any grief that happens. Every day young people die in the world due to distraction from cell phones. The number I have read is 8 a day. An that may be even just in this country. So I for one would love to see computer controlled cars over people driven cars. Yes there is the possibility of cars being hacked but that can be prevented by software with out back doors and and designs that are more inherently locked into specif roles and no outside intervention in their design layout.
     
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    Aren't the Americans the biggest players in this?
     
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    They certainly are involved, but I was speaking of those seeking our downfall.
    This warfare is highly secretive; I doubt that you'll find out who is the BIGGEST, unless they are all willing to let you analyze/review all their adventures for comparison.

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    What, and the US government isn't seeking America's downfall?

    Seriously, though, of the players you listed, most do not seek America's downfall. ISIS does, of course. At least two of the countries you listed stand to lose more than they gain from the downfall of America. Another just wants the US to stop blindly supporting the Saudis. And another wants the US to keep blindly supporting the Saudis.
     
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    I wouldn't be so sure about their intentions and ultimate goals regarding cyberwarfare; I do know they screw with many of our cyber systems, and are not well-intentioned. I'm also VERY concerned about our abilities to deflect attacks, having spoken to 2 FBI agents a few years ago, who did not inspire me with roaring confidence in our capabilities.

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    Being probably the only person active on this thread familiar with, educated, trained, experienced and certified to maintain and operate functioning autopilot systems and it's support structure... my previous comments stand...with one add. Most of you don't have a clue what you are talking about.

    If you want to get from point A to B without being "Left Seat" qualified, pay someone to do it for you. If you are to good to sit with others you don't know or want to be with in a Bus, Train, Car or Aircraft...call a Cab or hire a private Chauffeur so you can talk on your phone, poke glass or whatever your heart desires. Autopilots systems are designed to assist...not replace human Drivers/Pilots. Completely autonomous vehicles only work in strictly controlled and/or closed environments.
     
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