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Tesla model 3 is the safest car on the road

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  1. el Crucero

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    Tesla Model 3 safest car on the road - Business Insider

    Despite some bad negative reviews from some "authorities" the model 3 continues to push the envelope of technology and safety. And this is only the beginning. The car continues to get better with each Over The Air improvement and refinement. Legacy automakers have a lot of catching up to do.
     
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    Title says "could be".

    #saveoldcars.
     
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    Very cool! Hope this will be shared with other manufacturers to help save lives!
     
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    Elon has a history of sharing technology with the industry. His primary goal is not to make money, but to make the world a better place to live.

    A Tesla Model S ran into the back of a firetruck parked in the roadway in Utah - driver was texting on her phone. She hit the firetruck at 60 mph and totaled the car. Driver escaped with a broken ankle and a citation for not maintaining control of her car. RWD electric cars are inherently safer because the entire frunk area can be used as a crumple zone.
     
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    Yes I saw pictures of that S that ran into the fire truck at 60 mph. It's amazing how the cabin structure was intact. Tesla are safe.
     
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    The author is making a fairly deserved technical point about the relative effectiveness of Tesla's safety technology, but he's utterly missed the mark in applying it to the car market. Tesla would need to produce a very, very large number of cars to put that much pressure on the used car market.

    If Tesla opens another few dozen assembly plants like Fremont and runs them full tilt for a while sure, I would expect that to precipitate the market effect described in the article. I think the substance of the author's prediction is fair.

    But really, people aren't going to hang up the keys to their dangerous cars and wait until production capacity and personal finance allows them to take the safer option.
     
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    Many people miss the point that Elon isn't really in the auto manufacturing business, he is in the make the world a better place to live business. His goal isn't to be the largest auto manufacturer, his goal is to demonstrate that BEV technology is a viable and profitable concept for personal transportation and FORCE the legacy auto maker to jump in with both feet to protect their market share. Tesla may open one each assembly plants in Europe, China, India, and a second in Eastern US, but that decision is sometime in the future. Tesla has already put pressure on the legacy auto manufacturers as they try to play catch up.
     
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    Not sure I'm picking up your flow here... if Tesla isn't in business to make a lot of cars, then their influence is going to be limited. If the article author doesn't understand that Tesla isn't in business to make a lot of cars, then his theory that it will undermine the used car market is based on incorrect information in addition being out of whack scale-wise.
     
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    Yes, that is what my drift is.
     
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    The Model S out sold all its ICE, and hybrid, competition upon introduction. The European makes have responded by offering at least PHEV models. Like smart key systems and advanced safety tech, decreasing production costs and increasing demand will move it down to lower price range cars. The Model 3 should help that move along.

    The Model 3's target competitor is the BMW 3 series. So I would not expect it to sell in far greater numbers, once initial demand is met, than the BMW.
     
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    i'm wondering if the 35k model 3 will be delayed until cash flow improves, or no one wants the higher packages.
     
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    I guess I would expect it to be delayed until there is a directly competing model for the same $35k or less. If they're caught between pent-up consumer demand for the product and shareholders clamoring for profits, they've got no motivation to drop prices until someone forces them to.
     
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    do you think the bolt isn't up to the task?
     
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    I don't perceive the bolt and the 3 to be direct competitors, if for no reason other than that one is a sedan and the other is a hatchback. On the other hand I suppose one can't be very picky when the menu is this short. Distorted market.
     
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    true. i'd suggest more model 3 wait listers have bolted:cool: than toyota drivers have jumped ship. i have no data.
     
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    Elon stated in March, 2016, that the $35K model 3 would be available in about 3 years (March 2019). The $35K car will now be available in Q4/2018 ahead of schedule. Elon has stated the base $35K model will have ~20% profit margin.

    Elon said he was overwhelmed by the ~500K pre-orders within the first 30 days of introduction in March, 2016. He said he would have been pleased with 100K pre-orders. Consequently, he rushed a high margin $49K model into production and delivered the first cars in July, 2017. As of the end of May, he will have delivered ~25K of those cars in 11 months.

    Tesla is currently building ~4K model 3 cars per week in three, 8 hour shifts, 7 days a week. The Fremont facility will be closing for a week for re-tooling to build 6K cars per week by the end of June. Elon is predicting a model 3 build rate of 10K cars per week by the end of the year.

    It appears certain that Tesla is timing deliveries so that the 200K threshold for the maximum Federal tax credit will occur about the first week in July. That will give Tesla purchasers 6 months (until 12/31/2018) to take advantage of the full tax credit. That means as many as 150K model 3 (including the $35K base model) would be eligible for the $7500 tax credit.

    Elon has said Tesla will show a profit by the end Q3/2018. So to the answer the questions:
    - cash flow will be profitable by the end of Q3, when the $35K car will be delivered.
    - current reservationists show that they will be adding options to the $35K base model, it just won't be for the $9K long range option (I won't be).
     
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    That is simply not the case. If you research the data, way more Prius drivers have moved to model 3 than model 3 reservationists have moved to a Bolt. The BIGGEST complaint about Bolt is no Supercharger system. Consequently, the Bolt is a $40K "around town" car and it is difficult to justify the cost.
     
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    JimN Let the games begin!

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    Why didn't the Model S automatically brake instead of slamming into the parked fire truck? This example seems to demonstrate that the 2010 PCS (sold in 2009) works better than Tesla's current version of automatic braking.
     
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    I read an article yesterday which detailed a similar situation elsewhere- the recent fatal Uber crash in Arizona. The piece I read wasn't well written, but what I got from it was that the Volvo factory safety system successfully detected the pedestrian victim 6 seconds before impact, but that system was offline to allow the Uber control system full authority over the car. So it (and the human safety operator) sat back and took no action while the Uber code killed someone.