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2008 Prius Loss of Power at freeway speeds

Discussion in 'Gen 2 Prius Care, Maintenance and Troubleshooting' started by newfuturevintage, Jun 15, 2018.

  1. newfuturevintage

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    Thanks, I'll gently nudge him again.
     
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    Spoke to the tech. Seems like a knowledgeable guy with good equipment (Modus)
    Unfortunately no error codes are being found. Not in current or in pending.
    The scanner is able to see HV battery data.
    Block voltages running within .2 volts of each other, even when under load.
    There is turbulence present in the inverter pump reservoir.
    HV battery fan is not running abnormally.
    No codes present so did not run through the HV system HV leak isolation procedure.

    Without any codes present going to have to trust the in-person judgement on this one.

    I suppose you could get it towed and try to hash through it some more yourself with free labor. Not sure if you would end up at the same conclusion.
    The guy seems very willing to be open to ideas and is friendly to hybrids (not all mechanics are.)
    Wish I could have offered more insight.
     
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    Even in the absence of a total smoking gun, thank you so much for talking to him. Getting the second opinion helps me tremendously in terms of peace of mind.
    I'll keep y'alls posted with what happens!
    Ron
     
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    If the transaxle fluid has not been changed, it could be the reason for a failure. Many times you hear of transaxle failed it's due long run times or long road trips, with the original fluid in place
     
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    Absolutely possible in this Prius. It's done a lot of long distance trips between CA, AZ, UT, ID, and TX, you know, the cold states, and the drivers involved are the kind that'll do a 12-16 hour road trip in a single shot.

    This almost certainly has the original fluid. The mechanic who has it now checked the fluid both as a matter of course, and because he feared someone at a Drive-Thru oil changers may have accidentally drained some by mistake. Confirmed the level was OK, but also said, "that drain plug has never even had a wrench on it".
     
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    Strange thing is that failures would have a trouble code and warning lights. I'm kinda lost how that's not happening.
     
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    Definitely an oddball issue, the deeper things get investigated, innit?

    I harbor a little fear that this is going to be something silly like a bad crimp or a relay that's firing, but has gone internally resistive.
     
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    Maybe it's just bad gas.....
     
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    After reading this thread up to this point, I'm leaning to it may just be a simple case of driver perception, an old, weak battery with a low SOC at the time, and a steep grade while trying to maintain highway speeds (maybe a/c use too). Does she have much experience with the car under these conditions?

    Maybe you can get an experienced Prius driver to drive it and see if they can replicate the condition.
     
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    I resemble that comment.
     
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    That was actually my first thought, but the mechanic was able to reproduce it on a flat surface at freeway speeds. Also, she drove the car from CA to UT over I-80 / Donner Pass and didn't freak out (it's about 7000' of climb with a lot of up and down leading to the summit). Still possible that's the cause, but I doubt it at this point.
     
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    I remembered when I had an 06 that had some bad oil burning issues, the engine was quite weak compared to a healthy engine. I would climb hills much slower than the rest of the traffic, all at the same time the HV battery was always low because it was required to help the engine go up the hill.
     
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    Hmmm. Good to know. I'll definitely keep this in mind. It was a little low on oil when she got to UT. I don't know how low though. Again, not there to be an eye witness, so it's hard to say. In my driving, I haven't noticed the battery being low, but it's definitely original, and I'm still new to the Prius myself.
     
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    So far that's been the only time it's been noted.
     
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    I soooo wish I could drive it.
    As I'm sure Ron feels the same way.

    It is weird that there isn't anything reproducable from a code standpoint.

    The guy who is diagnosing seemed to have a good head on his shoulders. Not offended to talk to a fellow mechanic. Not defensive about his initial diagnosis. Open minded and truly interested in solving the issue.

    I'll be watching this thread to hear the outcome.
     
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    This is definitely one of those times you wish you could be in the passenger seat with techstream hooked up.

    And as a reminder, turbulence in the reservoir when idle does not 100% mean the inverter pump is good. That's exactly what I just went through with a coworkers 2008 a week or so ago. Everything appeared normal sitting in the driveway but 15 minutes into driving, red triangle and P0A93. Replaced the pump and no more issues. Kind of weird, but sh...stuff happens.
     
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    shtuff happens indeed!
     
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    Just wanted to updated where we are on this.

    The Prius is still in UT. Wife borrowed my mother in law's car to get home, MIL is keeping the Prius for a couple weeks to make sure it's OK before we get out of range of the garage that's been working on it.

    We did end up replacing the transaxle with a used unit from a car with around 65k on the clock. This seems to have fixed the loss of power issue. It's been driven for about 200 miles over the past week or so, both in-town and freeway driving, and behaved as expected.
    FWIW, the mechanic reported the fluid in the original unit looked, and I quote, "weird". Like maybe it'd been contaminated, or was overused.

    -fast forward to now-

    A nephew was driving it last night and got red triangled as he was getting near the house. He took the below pic of the MFD when this happened, and it's since been back to the garage. Mechanic said that the only thing he saw out of the ordinary was a loose negative clamp on the 12v battery. He reseated that and the car appears to be behaving itself so far. Mother in law (first owner of the car) is driving it now and reports the battery SOC is where she would expect it to be for the conditions in which she's driving (she admits to being a gauge watcher; I actually trust her on this). Park is entered and exited as expected.

    Comments welcome, and thanks again for all the help!

    Ron






    prius MFD error.jpg
     
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    That error can be caused by a low 12v battery. A loose negative probably would cause that
     
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