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Employee sabotages Tesla

Discussion in 'Tesla' started by el Crucero, Jun 21, 2018.

  1. el Crucero

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    A poster here on this sub-forum posted an article by Business Insider with misleading production numbers and accusing Tesla of using "scrap' in one form or another. The Business Insider article is a classic example of publishing false information, popularly called "fake news." This article by CNBC clarifies how one disgruntled employee distributed bogus information to Business Insider because Tesla did not give him a promotion he thought he deserved. Obviously, he didn't deserve the promotion. Business Insider has been exposed as a less than reputable source of "news." The investigation is further clarified by the Washington Post

    It is disheartening to see how many people want Tesla to fail.
     
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    Seriously?

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    They also poured the concrete & built the whole assembly line using scrap we had in warehouses. And it’s way better than the other GA line that cost hundreds of millions!
    8:25 PM · Jun 18, 2018
     
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    Elon was using the term "scrap" meaning leftover, unused materials, not "scrap" meaning junk. I just did a remodel with some leftover 2x4 from another job. I was using "scrap" that would otherwise go to waste. It saved me a bundle too. Is there something wrong with being creative?
     
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    Well according to the definition in the English language it's junk. So either Elon was being funny or was serious.

    discarded metal for reprocessing.
    "the steamer was eventually sold for scrap"
    • any waste articles or discarded material, especially that which can be put to another purpose.
      "we're burning scrap lumber"
      synonyms: waste, rubbish, refuse, litter, debris, detritus; More
      flotsam and jetsam, garbage, trash;
      informaljunk
      "the whole thing was made from scrap"
     
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    Trollbait It's a D&D thing

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    J&J had a diaper making machine that cost around $1 million. They used it once, and let it sit for a decade. It was eventually turned over to a scrapper, a person that recycles metals, for no charge. He resold it to another diaper making company.

    The term scrap is like the term weed. What makes something one of them depends upon the individual's point of view.

    Much of the wiring and metal plumbing that is removed during remodeling can be reused as is. It just isn't worth the the effort to do so, and it gets sold as scrap.

    Tesla used left over tooling to build this line. If they had not found a use for it, they would have sold it, just as any other company. Then the buyer likely would have been a scrapper because these are specialty parts in low demand. It isn't like Toyota will buy them.
     
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    JimN Let the games begin!

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    We'll see how far Tesla is willing to go to prosecute. My guess is that it will be settled and dropped. So far it looks like the distraction needed to divert attention from the quarterly numbers.

    Maybe Tesla can get this cased booked on Judge Judy. Elon would love the attention.

    What if the "misleading numbers published by BI" are higher than actual?
     
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    The perp has no significant assets. In fact he has already declared bankruptcy once in his life about 10 years ago. The guy is a loser. What Tesla is trying to do is flip the guy to find out who the "third parties" are. This could get vary serious.

    What if the numbers published by BI are not actual and false? This would put BI in very serious financial trouble.
     
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    Is it even possible, another fire at Tesla today! Maybe they should consider building fire trucks!
     
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    'The' definition? More like one of several definitions.

    The meaning referring to unused and leftover materials certainly fits with my familiar dialect of English.

    Google:
    "scrap1
    skrap/
    noun ...
    1. a small piece or amount of something, especially one that is left over after the greater part has been used. ..."
     
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    As nouns the difference between leftover and scraps is that leftover is something left behind; an excess or remainder while scraps is , left over pieces.
     
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    ^ are we talking about different regional usages, where I'm accustomed to the same regionalism as Musk, but you are not?
     
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    Would that be South Africa or Canada?
     
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    Haven't you seen lists or maps of numerous regionalisms within just the continental U.S.?
     
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    I think I have! But since Musk was born in S. Africa and lived in Canada before becoming a US Citizen I was not clear on which regionalism you are referring to. Still not clear!
     
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    I don't have that one on a list. But being married to someone raised on the opposite coast, and who still has numerous connections there, I commonly run into many that I've never seen listed.

    Both el Crucero (#3) and Google (#7) align with my usage, so I don't believe I'm unique here. No need to look across borders to Canada or SA.
     
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    I understand since I am originally from the opposite coast, but scrap is scrap on either coast. :)
     
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    i'll gladly take the scraps. and the leftovers.:)
     
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    What are we talking about here, Thanksgiving?
     
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    it would be, if elon gave them to me.(y)
     
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    Trollbait It's a D&D thing

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    This shows you are just interested in spreading Tesla FUD and not actual discussion.

    The scrap Musk referred to was not waste. It was perfectly good tooling and parts for a car production line that simply wasn't being put to use. He referred to it as scrap because if it hadn't been put to use, the most likely end for these materials would be recycling.

    I work at a research facility that has a pilot plant area. Parts, mainly stainless tanks, that are no longer needed for a project get moved to a surplus area. Which is commonly referred to as the scrap yard, because the parts will eventually be sold as scrap metal if another use doesn't come up for them.
     
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