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Replaced front hub, now idiot lights are permanently on...Help!

Discussion in 'Gen 2 Prius Care, Maintenance and Troubleshooting' started by FrankD, Aug 3, 2018.

  1. FrankD

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    Hello all. I have not posted in quite awhile....my 2007 Prius is going strong with 173k miles on it. I recently found that the front Passenger side wheel assembly hub needed replacing, as the wheel bearings just started to show signs of wear.

    My mechanic shop, who have been great for years, replaced the drivers side one 2-3 years ago without a problem. Yesterday right after they replaced the other one, I got in the car and saw that three idiot lights that I have NEVER seen on before were now on.....an exclamation mark inside a circle, the ABS light and the VSC light.

    I went back into the shop and told them this....they told me that "sometimes it takes awhile for those things to turn off after we replace a big part like a hub....let us know next week if it stays on".

    Well, I was not too happy about that, and last night and today I did a lot of driving, so I returned to the shop today for them to "clear the codes" or something. They tried, and the lights just came back on. They said that they did not know why the lights stayed on, but they cleared the codes and the codes were now clear, so that was all they could do.

    I've had this car for about 10 years now, and this has never happened. I should say that I also have the TPS light on, but that has been on for years...I keep a good watch on my tires, so I feel I do not need to replace these tire sensors at around $100 a piece just to get rid of that light. They told me that perhaps I should replace those two bad TPS sensors and if I did that then magically maybe all of the lights will go off....but they could not swear to it.

    So now I'm angry. I feel they caused this, but they now just shrug their shoulders. I told them I will go on PriusChat and find out from the good folks here how to fix this problem that was never there until they replaced this hub.

    I do not know how much longer I will have this car...I love it, but it may be getting long in the tooth....but I certainly could not sell it with 4 idiot lights blaring at me. I thank anyone in advance here who could help me with this new problem.

    Respectfully, Frank D.
     
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    Take it back to them, have them recheck the speed sensor. It's easy to cause an issue if they are not careful about putting it back in properly.

    TPS has nothing to do with your current issue.
     
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    Thank you. They did tell me that no other codes showed up, and that he said the speed sensor should be fine. He said I would not be able to use Cruise control if it was not. I used it without problems. At this point, I totally trust what you and everyone here says before what the shop says. I appreciate hearing from you and others so when I DO go back there next week I am armed with plenty of good information to assist them in making it right. Thank you! Frank D.
     
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    Get Mini VCI so you can retrieve the DTC logged by the skid control ECU. That shop obviously is not able to do that.
     
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    As long as the lights were not there in the first place, before the install, the source of the problem could be from,
    1. Using an aftermath hub, without a reluctor(that ring shaped stuff on the hub, that's responsible for sending signals to the wheel sensors.
    2. Check the wheel speed sensors harnesses. They may have being cut accidentally.
    3. Ask them to clear the codes using a hybrid capable scantool.
     
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    The lights were not on ever before the hub install. I looked up mini VCI on amazon.....some show a CD, some show just a cord-like item....these seem to range from 17-50 dollars. It appears to plug into the plug under the dash to a usb port on a laptop. Not sure what it will show me....they told me no "codes" showed up from their scanner. Sorry guys...I can build a house and deliver a baby no problem...I am not too smart of a car guy.....
     
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    Perhaps what you good folks are saying is that their scantool is not good for Hybrids.....thus the recommendation for this mini VCI thing.
     
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    It’s also a way for you to investigate what they are telling you ;).

    Good luck and keep us posted (y).
     
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    BTW, Costco's price for replacing the TPMS sensors is substantially lower than $100 each. However that is not the problem causing the ABS/VSC/((!)) lights to be on, as long as you are sure the tire pressure is good in all four tires.

    Yes. Mini VCI is a cloned version of Toyota Techstream which is what the Toyota dealership would use. Without knowing what the logged DTC is, it is hard to pin down the problem.
     
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    I see that Amazon has this mini VCI analyzer sold by a place called luckybuy11 for $51.00 Everyone says it works great, but everyone has trouble installing the software. Fortunately they also say the seller is happy to remotely take over your laptop and do it for you. You also need to disable your anti-virus to make it work. Trusting a stranger from halfway around the world to take over your laptop is a bit scary, but they say this is the only way and everyone is happy afterwards.

    I apologize, but can you good folks tell me what this will do for me..? Basically tell me what is wrong, or what codes it is causing, even though the shop told me it was all clear?

    I change my oil, etc, but am not much of a mechanic. I'm also guessing that this will tell me what two tires have the bad TPMS monitors. I do belong to Costco, so I might have this done...but after I get all three of those other lights to go away.

    At this point, I may get this item, as my only other option is to go to the dealership and pay a lot for them to fix this light issue. I also think my brakes feel a bit different than they did before this hub assembly was replaced. Thank you!
     
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    1. I have a Windows 7, 32 bit OS laptop dedicated exclusively for auto diagnostic purposes. It is not a great idea to allow a stranger access to the laptop you use for home banking, email, etc.
    2. Mini VCI will allow the diagnostic trouble codes logged by the skid control ECU to be retrieved. On amazon.com there is a wide variety of price points. You could alternatively visit your local Toyota dealer and pay them one hour of labor time to retrieve the DTC.
    3. I recall that Costco charged around $40 each to replace the four TPMS sensors on my 2007 a year ago. As you know, it is necessary to remove the tire, then remount and balance. If you are going to buy a set of tires, that would be an excellent time to have the sensors replaced.
     
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    The Mini VCI cable comes with a CD with software that can connect your car to Toyotas Techstream software.
    Techstream is the software that the dealer uses if you go to your Toyota dealer.

    If I were you I would remove the wheel and do a visual inspection in the area the work was done on.
    This is the cheapest and fastest thing that can be done and is what the dealer will do right after he charges you for one hour time hooking up their Techstream.

    The speed sensor has one bolt, I would remove the bolt and remove the sensor, make sure there is nothing under where it seats, nice and clean because they are sensitive, the clearences has to be close. On the other end ia an electrical connector with two wires, It can be visually inspected and inspect the whole wire from end to end.
    Ten minutes of work after the wheel is removed.
     
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    It may be possible the mechanic did not align the speed sensor hole in the bearing dust deflector behind the axial hub sub-assembly perfectly during installation, thus blocking the speed sensor signal. The metal deflector has to be removed during axial hub sub-assembly replacement in order to access the four bolts that hold the axial hub sub-assembly to the steering knuckle.
     

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    Thank you all....this is all good info...exactly what I was hoping for. I think I will take a look and also let my son look, (he has replaced hub assemblies before, etc ...I think I should have had him just do this). Then I will return to the shop and if needed go to the dealership before I buy the mini VCI. If I did not read of so many software installation problems I would buy it. Any other ideas are welcome....you have helped me a great deal. Thank you....
     
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    Yeah reqarding acquiring MiniVCI: if this is a one-off: the dealership service department can hook up their kosher Techstream equipment and let you know what the codes are. With any luck you'll get out of there for only $50~75: ask in advance, explain your predicament.

    Still, check the mechanical possibilities first.
     
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    Thank you all for the great help. I wrote down everything you good folks said and went back to the shop. They took care of it free of charge, and told me that it was the speed sensor. Specifically, they said it was part of the speed sensor that was "inside the spindle", indicating it was not really their fault, but they gladly took care of it. The three lights are now off which is great. I also had two new front tires put on the day before the hub.....since then I have noticed a drop in MPG. I made sure I had 42/40 PSI.....I just refilled, we will see. Hopefully the MPG returns to previous levels. Thank you all again! Frank
     
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    If you take your car in for repairs and they supply the parts and the newly installed parts are defective it is on them and they eat doing the repair the second time even if it is not their fault. They can go back to their parts supplier and deal with them.

    This is why I always say to let them supply the part. If you supplied the part and they installed it you would have to pay twice for the installation..

    When it comes to engine changes with used engines I would never supply my own engine. They get burnt every now and then and the cost is spread out over every engine they change, just the cost of doing business.
     
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    are these ebay china hubs?
     
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    No..they used good parts, just had the speed sensor a bit misaligned I believe. Thanks!
     
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    good to hear it was something simple I might have to under take this soon, not looking forward to it..