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Are we really better off?

Discussion in 'Fred's House of Pancakes' started by Mystery Squid, Aug 10, 2006.

  1. Mystery Squid

    Mystery Squid Junior Member

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    As you may or may not know, lately, I've been spending a lot of time at the beach.

    ...and I've been pondering various concepts.

    One of which happens to be this "rat race" we're all part of (well, at least most of us). For example, even with all the "leaps" in medicine and such over the last 100 years, are we really better of? I would say our relatively stagnant, confined, lifestyles have caused an inequity that EXCEEDS the advances which are made to, supposedly, better our lives. For example, yeah, ok, the chances of surviving a heart attack are pretty good these days. Then again, the chances of actually getting a heart attack in the first place have probably gone through the roof given such lifestyles, so has anything been REALLY gained? I suppose the question is this: would you rather live to 45 and enjoy every moment of it, or drag it out another 20 years in some office somewhere having to take 5 pills a day, then ultimately needing someone to change your bedsheets because you're too old and frail to do it yourself?

    There must be a better way.

    I would like to subvert our current way of life.

    This is what I was thinking:

    Set up some entity such that the profits from such entity provide a high standard of housing for all its employees all within walking distance, absolutely free medical care, and no need for money whatsoever. The idea is to remove this whole concept of personal profit/gain/greed. We don't need it. A community where, for example, scientists like galaxee can focus on what truly matters, research, without the BS of the "political" structure which probably is like 80-90% of the time... Yet we still need to fulfill our *needs* for such things as Ipods...

    in essence:

    Communism in the Russian/Cuban sense, sucks, yet capitalism, when you really get right down to it, might even be worse... I want to take the best components of each and create some fusion concept... hmmm... I think the biggest LIE we've been led to believe is that economics is the study of scarcity, such that there aren't enough natural resources for everyone to live how they want (I wrote a paper on this back in college titled: Why We Can't All Have Ferrari's (it was full of nice tirades! :lol: )). I disagree. It's sort of analogous to the whole oil thing, these doomsday scenarios flying around... No, I think the reverse is true, and our cars are already proof this his happening. When one natural resource starts to dwindle, the collective attention turns towards alternates, which in turn, WILL lead to new discoveries, new ways of doing things, living, etc.

    There is a big lie here being propagated. Whether of natural consequence, or artificial manipulation by a group, I'm not quite sure. When you think about it, our lives aren't that much different than that of prisoners. We simply exist in several spaces with slightly more square footage. Think about it: during the course of a "normal" day, within how many different places do you exist? For most people, it's home, car, office, car home, and that's it...

    Our society is simply a prison without bars.

    We are indentured servants confined by our own greed, in a sense, this is the BEST kind of prison, you know, the one where you don't even KNOW you're in... When I realized this a few years ago, I sold off all my big ticket toys. I had it all man, two gas guzzling sports cars, a truck, a bike, two jetski's, a 4 wheeler, and a home that was simply excessive for one, or even two people. I dumped it all, this way of life was STUPID and utterly POINTLESS.

    Have we done this ourselves, or has it been crafted by a select few? This is MY STRUGGLE!!! :ph34r:


    AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!

    Well, that's my self induced non-alcoholic drunken tirade for the night...

    :lol:
     
  2. hyo silver

    hyo silver Awaaaaay

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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Mystery Squid @ Aug 10 2006, 12:19 AM) [snapback]300630[/snapback]</div>
    So, what you're really saying is that Florida has better dope than...where was it? Boston? :D
     
  3. Godiva

    Godiva AmeriKan Citizen

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    You want to live on the Enterprise and are looking for others to beam up with you?
     
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    Let us all hold hands and can we all say, Kumbaya.
     
  5. daronspicher

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    In that society who would do the laundry, and who is the garbage man?

    Do the really smart people who essentially pull the weight of your ideal corporation get any added incentive to be part of it, or do they all leave the island for the ratrace where they can use that talent to gain for themselves?

    Typically someone who has the ability to collect more acorns for their own nest will not participate in this thing with someone who has less of an ability to do so for themselves. If all you have in your society is the bottom end sucking off the tap of society, the whole thing turns into a mess. Reference CHA if you want an example of how that works.

    So.. No... Don't want in on that gig. Everyone is not equal, so you're living in a terrible thing with people who are not doing their part. (Many by choice).
     
  6. daniel

    daniel Cat Lovers Against the Bomb

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    Russian communism and Cuban communism are so different that they cannot really be put in the same category. If you compare the quality of life in Cuba with the quality of life for the vast majority in countries with similar resources (Haiti, Dominican Republic, Honduras, El Salvador, Guatemala, etc.) it is clear that the Cubans are much better off. Children in Cuba are thin but active and healthy-looking, playing in the street and laughing. In Mexico, the children of the poor are sickly and lethargic.

    However, as for "then" vs "now," average lifespan demonstrates that modern medicine and sanitation bring great benefits, and any middle-class American who wants to adopt a healthy lifestyle can have the best of both worlds.

    Your post reminded me of a cartoon in Mad Magazine, some 40-odd years ago: Two enormous rats in sneakers and numbered shorts, running through a city; and one is saying to the other, "I'm sick and tired of this rat race."
     
  7. Mystery Squid

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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(daniel @ Aug 10 2006, 11:27 AM) [snapback]300823[/snapback]</div>
    Yeah, but don't the Mexican kids sniff glue? :lol:

    I saw a movie recently about some little girl in either Ecuador/Columbia, eh, wherever... Anyway, her, and all her friends sniffed glue all the time, and just kind of hung around. It was one of those movies with a delightfully crappy ending where dies amidst the rubble of her old home...
     
  8. galaxee

    galaxee mostly benevolent

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    society has now reached the vortex that leads to the drain... there's no going back without some serious overhaul of people's ideals, what is seen as good and bad, and what is perceived as necessary and not.

    the medicines made to ease stress-related illnesses will only promote more stressful conditions in our lives. and that's only one example. i've been working 8-10 hour days lately with little time to sit down and relax, using my laboratory equipment to its full capacity, and i just never feel like i'm working hard enough. why do we insist that anything short of superhuman achievement is not enough? computers. automation. the gotta-have-it-now attitude. it's all wrong. all of it.

    while a great idea squid, i doubt it'll ever happen. i think we're going from the sink to the vortex and from the vortex down into the sewer at breakneck speed as a society.

    and with that, i've got 9 min 10 sec to set up my next assay, remove the current ones, incubate new ones and get to the filtration steps... i'm off.
     
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    daniel Cat Lovers Against the Bomb

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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Mystery Squid @ Aug 10 2006, 09:16 AM) [snapback]300855[/snapback]</div>
    That's kind of like saying, "Don't all Americans drive Cadillacs and snort cocaine?" Glue is probably one of the cheaper and more destructive drugs. I suspect that nobody sniffs glue for very long.
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Mystery Squid @ Aug 9 2006, 11:19 PM) [snapback]300630[/snapback]</div>
    Squid....it's already here...and I'm living it...it's called the United States Armed Forces!!!!!!

    Come join us and be one of us! The few, the proud, the broke!
     
  11. hycamguy07

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    Here you go Squid,

    List Of The Most Stressful Cities

    The Top Ten Most Stressful Cities in the category "100 Largest Metro Areas."

    Boston is number 77. I bet it would rank higher if the list was The Most Stressful Cities To Drive In.

    1 Tacoma, WA

    2 Miami, FL

    3 New Orleans, LA

    4 Las Vegas, NV-AZ

    5 New York, NY

    6 Portland-Vancouver, OR-WA

    7 Mobile, AL

    8 Stockton-Lodi, CA

    9 Detroit, MI

    10 Dallas, TX
     
  12. Zerkster

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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Godiva @ Aug 9 2006, 10:19 PM) [snapback]300697[/snapback]</div>
    Mystery Squid, however appealing it is you have described i contemplate somtimes myself, this Enterprise solution well.... simply put i would not be able to drive my Prius except in the holodeck that aside we wouldn't need an alternate fuel vehicle in the first place.... that said we wouldn't be here discussing life in the first place as it is the Toyota Prius that we are all here talking about to begin with...

    **whew** enough of that tangent... I feel that i am on the later side of my quote for this post then others.
     
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    Here's a joke I got the other day, pretty much expresses my opinion on life:

    Will I live to be 80?
    I recently picked a new primary care doctor. After two visits and
    exhaustive lab tests, he said I was doing "fairly well" for my age.
    A little concerned about that comment, I couldn't resist asking him,
    "Do you think I'll live to be 80?"
    He asked, "Do you smoke tobacco, or drink beer or wine?"
    "Oh no," I replied. "I'm not doing drugs, either."
    Then he asked, "Do you eat rib-eye steaks and barbecued ribs?"
    I said, "No, my former doctor said that all red meat is very
    unhealthy!"
    "Do you spend a lot of time in the sun, like playing golf, sailing,
    hiking, or bicycling? ""No, I don't," I said.
    He asked, "Do you gamble, drive fast cars, or have a lot of sex?"
    "No," I said. "I don't do any of those things."
    He looked at me and said, "Then, why do you give a s**t?"

    PS to MS; some folks are lucky to take only 5 pills in their old age...some in their earlier age!!
     
  14. Mystery Squid

    Mystery Squid Junior Member

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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Zerkster @ Aug 12 2006, 04:05 PM) [snapback]302228[/snapback]</div>
    This man has got it right. :D



    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Salsawonder @ Aug 12 2006, 08:38 PM) [snapback]302343[/snapback]</div>
    :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

    CA-CHING!