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Check hybrid system warning, need new shifter assembly

Discussion in 'Gen 3 Prius Care, Maintenance & Troubleshooting' started by bobbintb, Sep 11, 2018.

  1. bisco

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    the nimbus looks better for body impact:eek:

    gray duck tape on the rear bumper:)
     
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    With the flying bridge, you’ll never make it to the mount;).

    I’d be more concerned with some of the other phone mounts I’ve seen becoming projectiles or worse:eek:.
     
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    my i phone has no service, so i don't need a phone holder. i did mount the center console tray from our 2008 hycam in the front of the lower bridge tray. good for small items. blocks the power outlets, but i never use them.
     
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    An iPhone with no service:eek:.

    What provider you got:whistle:?

    Verizon works well for us(y).
     
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    att for my wife i phone and my flip. so i go to comcast with the iPhone for free service pay by the megabyte.
    they tell me the phone has to be unlocked.
    so i get my son to contact his phone provider and they give the information. now i have to go back to comcast.
    i'm running out of juice.
     
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    The only reason I got out of the flip phone was because the wife bought me the iPhone 5s as a father’s day gift in 2016:).

    Otherwise I’d still be on the flip phone and never really contribute here;).

    So I guess it all works out in the end(y).
     
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    I wonder if they could make an electronic shifter that used the mechanics of a conventional (automatic) shifter: I NEVER lost track of what gear I was in with those.

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    I think that would allow them to drop-kick the reverse beep too... :whistle:
     
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    Aren’t electronics more reliable than the mechanicals:whistle:?

    Just remember some of my old man’s rides and it seemed that we were always “making adjustments” to them:cool:.

    But they were Dodge/Chrysler products, so maybe not surprising :(.

    The display also shows the gear you are in for confirmation (y).
     
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    That would be fine for a conventional car, not a hybrid with an ECM that controls electric motors. I don't know how it works on the Gen 1 or other makes of hybrids. The shifter, a conject, effectively controls more than just the drive, reverse, neutral and park modes.
     
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    IMHO, a much better mod would be a "slammed" short shifter mod lie the one shown in this picture. It was done by a local friend of mine. front closeup view.JPG right side comparison.JPG
     
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    I've never used B. Neither has my wife.

    Wow, thanks for all the input and advice everyone. I did get a used one on eBay for less than 30 bucks and it does indeed look like an easy repair. I didn't even see the after market stuff until I already ordered the replacement. I might take a look at them if it happens again.

    That was my biggest concern, clearing the codes. I assumed it would clear but I haven't looked at the instructions I have yet.

    It came from the dealer. Autozone said it couldn't find a code.
     
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    Exactly the same thing that happens if you shift the wrong way with the OEM shifter. Starting from park, it's a distinct set of motions to shift into reverse, and a different set of motions to switch into drive. That makes it a bit easier to keep from engaging one gear when you meant to engage the other. BUT...all that's happening electronically is that the circuits are determining which of the 4 possible buttons you are pushing.

    Using the Stage 10 or similar shifters, it's somewhat easier to press the wrong button accidentally, pressing Drive where you meant to press Reverse, for example. (Yes, I'm old. No, I won't discuss how I know it's possible to press the wrong button)

    As far as safety certifications, etc. are concerned, this is an aftermarket modification,so there probably aren't any. Use it at your own risk. But anyone concerned about certifications really should not make any modifications whatsoever that deviate from 100% stock. Even using non-OEM maintenance parts like filters or gaskets is risky.

    It's clear to me, going by the error codes and examining the one I pulled out of my 2010 Prius, that Toyota spent a fair amount of engineering time on the OEM shifter. The error codes make it clear that there's a bit that can go wrong with it. It also appears to me that the shifter is a blend of mechanical and electronic components that look a whole lot like a computer joystick, but that the end result is the transmission control computer sees only one of four inputs (R,N,D,B). Using momentary-contact push-button switches to provide that input instead does not increase any safety risks that I can think of.
     
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    hycam has a conventional looking shifter. it's great for people who want a hybrid that doesn't seem like a hybrid, but takes up way too much real estate.
     
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    So does the RAV4 Hybrid. My guess is that the driving public doesn't like push-button transmissions much, and maybe not even futuristic looking quasi-mechanical ones like the OEM Prius.

    This might actually be a fun project...Retro-Prius!
     
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    Prius c:

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    Camry Hybrid:

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    Rav4 Hybrid:

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    Hylander Hybrid:

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    Of note, only the Prius c shows a "B". Maybe the others have a separate button for B, or just don't have it?
     
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    so pushing the wrong button on the stage 10 is not really a problem, and the $550. unit is a solution looking for one.
     
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    wife has the hycam, i will try to remember to look when she is home.
     
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    Exactly. But...it looks so awesome. I find myself wondering what else in the car could do that. (Why yes, I did lust after KITT, the car in the Knight Rider TV show in my youth. Why do you ask?)
     
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    in your post #11, you mention that it 'fixes the problem of potentially using the wrong button', which made me wonder if the stage 10 didn't have the safety lockout like the oem shifter.
     
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    Is the safety lockout in the shifter, or in the transmission control computer? I actually don't know the answer to this, and I don't want to test it on my car, either.

    I know I would have put it in the computer, but Toyota engineers have surprised me before. Near as I can tell, the electronics in the push button shifters are very simple. The OEM shifter, not so much.

    The wrong button error I was referring to was an ID-10-T user error on my part, nothing more.
     
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