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Spontaneous Deceleration

Discussion in 'Gen 2 Prius Main Forum' started by kibutler2k, Nov 24, 2018.

  1. kibutler2k

    kibutler2k New Member

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    My daughter bought a new Prius a month ago so, I bought her 2008 Prius from her and drove it from Virginia to Michigan. Twice during my drive the car spontaneously stopped accelerating and lost any ability to accelerate even when I was pressing the gas pedal. This happened while driving on the highway both times which was scary because it was hard to get over on the shoulder and out of traffic. The car itself did not lose power (i.e. the dashboard remained lit up, etc. The problem was just that the vehicle stopped responding to acceleration when pushing the gas pedal. I decelerated all the way down). My daughter drove it in the metro DC area for 10 years and never experienced this issue. On a separate note the 12v battery died 2 days after I arrived in Michigan so, I had that replaced. So, the car starts fine now but, I'm worried about the deceleration issue. As far as I know the 12v battery supports auxiliary functions so I'm assuming the bad 12v battery should not have cause this. I'm afraid to drive it on the highway now. There are times that I drove the car at higher speeds (75-85 mph). Could that be what caused it? I appreciate any feedback anyone may have. I love having the car and hope to keep it. Has anyone ever heard of this spontaneous deceleration issue before? Is is a recall issue?
     
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    If you bought an Optima 12v battery, they have a reputation for re-selling bad batteries, that could create lots of problems... Only time I've experienced what you're describing at freeway speed is when I was working on a hybrid battery pack and the warning lights came on and the problem was severe enough that computer shut off access to electric motor part of the car, which is a deceleration issue, but you'd have error codes and warning lights if that happened. Other situation with loss of power is "traction control" while accelerating from a stop briefly shuts off electric motor to protect drivetrain if wheels start to slip on ice or uneven pavement. But again, the traction light control comes on and that doesn't happen at freeway speed unless you start sliding/hydroplaning. How about acceleration to get up to freeway speed? Any issue with that?
     
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    My bet would be a glitch in the 12 volt system. As other people look mentioned some people have had bad luck with the Optima batteries. Also could be one of the connections back at the battery is loose.
    Or perhaps a malfunctioning wheel speed sensor or yaw sensor. Basically the car thinks it's slipping or spinning. But the traction control light should come on if that is what's happening.

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    I would recommend a meeting between the car and a code scanner to see if any trouble codes are stored. There are a number of conditions that can trigger the car to enter a limp-home mode (enough power to do some limited driving, but no more). It sounds as if your car entered that mode. Next order of business is finding out why.

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    how many miles on her?

    any dash warning lites when it happen?
     
  6. kibutler2k

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    Thanks for the feedback. If there were any warning lights on I didn't notice it as I was a bit panicked and was desperately trying to get off the highway to a safe place. Also, I'm not sure I would have noticed it as I was driving the car for the first time so, I am not very use to the car, the dashboard, etc. from the standpoint of having clarity on what is normal vs. error lights. I don't think I have had issues accelerating to highway speeds. My other 2 cars are V8 engines so, without a doubt the Prius is much more difficult accelerating. Again, I don't have a frame of reference for what's normal and what's just typical Prius functioning in that regard.

    Not that I noticed. Not sure whether I overlooked it during my panicked process of trying to get off the highway to a safe place as the car slowed down.

    125K miles on her. Didn't notice any warning lights though I wasn't looking. I was busy trying to get off the highway safely.

    Thank you. I will try to set that up to have the car checked out with a code scanner to see if there's anything there.
     
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  7. 2k1Toaster

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    My bet is that with a driving style common in older folk used to driving big V8's for decades (like you have) is that you just ran the battery low. The Prius has an extremely low powered engine. It is made driveable because of the electric motors that assist the output using the HV pack. The HV pack in your car is only charged via the engine.

    If you are used to pressing the gas pedal with your toe then moments later the thing lurches forwards about to rocket to the moon, your driving style reflects that. I have seen it lots of times when people then drive lower powered cars they basically become binary. I want to go, it is not going fast enough, keep pushing more. Eventually you're pedal to the metal and flooring it then realize it's still going, back off to idle and repeat every time you want input. On a highway with passing or even terrain differences this becomes all the time. Now in a Prius when you do this you use up a bit of the battery. Over and over and over. Eventually it will become depleted ("1 bar") and now you have no electric assist and you're driving around something with 76hp that weighs almost 2 tons. It ain't moving anywhere in a hurry. This then feels like a lack of power. You press on the accelerator the car will lurch for a split second using any reserve of battery it has, it depletes it, the engine roars and you go nowhere extra.

    This is common going from super power to prius power because you've most likely never given it any thought. You don't need 500hp to take the kids to school but it sits there and you always have hp available. Now you have something that makes 76hp and up to 110hp when assisted. If you stop modulating the pedal as much and just pick a power level and stick with it, the car will adjust and give you what you want for long periods of time. But constantly searching up and down for a power band means depleting the battery quickly and then taking a loooong time to charge it back up.

    Next time this happens, look at the Energy Monitor screen. I bet it will be 1 battery bar and you'll see no arrows coming out (or going into) the battery pack.

    Living in the mountains, I see this all the time because going up a 7% slope for 2+ miles at 80mph will 100% deplete any even brand new battery. But you know it is happening so you just apply power and keep on it. If you modulate, you will never gain speed back.

    You will read about it all the time in threads from people going up the Rocky Mountains on I-70 that their Prius couldn't maintain over 50mph or 60mph or whatever. The car can do it just fine, but you have to know the machine. I do those same slopes at 80mph and pass lots of other vehicles with standard shifting transmissions that can't find a gear for that grade at that speed. But I know if I let off the accelerator even for a second, I will never get that speed back.
     
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  8. Skibob

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    Also remember she drove to Michigan on the old 12v battery that went bad just after she arrived. She also mentioned driving at high speeds 75-85. I wonder if the 85 mph speeds up slight inclines could drain the traction battery? I know when I’m climbing hills the battery discharges much slower if I stick to the speed limit. Lower speed, less air resistance, less horsepower needed.
     
  9. 2k1Toaster

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    Higher speeds exacerbate the problem. Our posted speed limits are 75mph so 80mph traffic flow is the slow lane, and really even that rarely goes that slow. When going those speeds on the highway slight variations drain the battery quickly.
     
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    When I was driving up the hills to Jackson for thanksgiving there was a gen 3 in front of me and a gen 4 behind me. 3 Prius all pretty much driving the speed limit up the hills.