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    new to the forum but passive stalker since I’ve had my Prius for a few years. I saw similar threads and the advice was somewhat all over the place. Let me preface by saying I’m a moron and I don’t know much about the nuances of owning a Prius.

    I’ll try to be concise. I have a 2008 Prius w/230k miles. It’s parked in Michigan as I don’t drive it much now that I live in Chicago. I told my dad to drive it every week or so to keep the battery in good shape. I got home for Thanksgiving and low and behold, he didn’t move it since I was last home a month ago and now it wont start.

    I tried jumping, but when connected, I just got the green/red light on the ignition, the green parking light as wellas well as the check engine light. Everything else is dead. Took battery to autozone and it’s fine.

    So, I don’t have an OBD2 reader but I can buy one at autozone for $60. I’m assuming this will give some insight as to the problem, but it will be towed regardless. The closest Toyota dealership is about 25 miles away. There are a few body shops within 10 miles (I’m in the sticks). My concern is I buy the reader, get it towed for $150-200 and then I’m also out who knows what to fix (one person said “it could be $.50 to several thousand dollars). I got a good deal on the car from a friend 3 years back ($2,500) and put about 35k miles on it. I hate to send it to the graveyard since it was running fine before I left town.

    Thoughts? Specifically:
    -is it worth it to buy the OBD2 reader?
    -do we have a relative idea on issue/cost
    -is it time to send this to the graveyard
     
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    welcome!
    start by trying a jump start to the jump points under the hood.

    if no luck, buy a volt meter and measure the voltage at the jump point. if 12.5 or better, move on to obd.

    i would search here for one that works reasonably well with prius, or go for the bst, toyota tech stream software, and an old compatible laptop.

    if it is not the 12v, at the miles you have, a cell may have failed in the hybrid pack from sitting.
     
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    You would be better off getting Techstream with a mini Vci from Amazon. It will tell you more. Read up on repairing or replacing the traction battery on this site. If you feel you cannot do the job yourself then my advice would be to sell the car. You should be able to get at least 1000 dollars for it, even with a bad battery. Do check the resting battery voltage first though. A low 12v battery does all kinds of wired things.
     
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    I reinstalled the battery after charging it and testing at Autozone and it the problem persists. So it isn't the battery (or is it?). I can't believe that a fully charged battery wouldn't at least permit some of the functions to work, even if marginally (clock radio, display, etc).

    I got an OBD2 reader - it wouldn't read from the port. I checked it on my CRV to make sure it wasn't a faulty reader, and it worked fine on there.

    I also got a multimeter to check the battery, and the reading was 12.28 (see pic). I also checked the small fuses. On the reader, it went down to zero on all of them except for the ones listed below, where I got .0L reading (I assume that means the fuse is blown).

    Assuming this is correct, the blown fuses are for:

    14 - ETCS Electronic throttle control system
    17 - DOME Audio system, interior lights, smart entry and start system, gauge and meter, turn signal lights, luggage room light, clock
    9 - AM2 "IGN" fuse, ignition system

    Again, this is based on my crude understanding of the multimeter, but I wasn't getting 0.00 readings on those fuses. I don't know if this is causing the issue, or the effect of the issue.
     

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    Also, I'm not sure if it's relevant, but when I put the smart key in and hit start, nothing happens, as covered above; however, I do feel resistance on the brake pedal, e.g., it is coming towards me. I do hear some clicking coming from the engine, but its not very prominent. I don't know if that helps eliminate other issues.
     
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    Are you getting 12v at the jump terminal in the fuse box? The battery + cable goes to the front of the car and attaches directly to that terminal.

    Oops, nvm. Just saw the photo.

    So nothing works? no headlights, interior lights, dashboard, etc?

    It's unusual to have three fuses open at same time. We've seen plenty of AM2 fuses open when the inverter cooling pump fails. Three different ones simultaneously, not so much. A bit interesting. Are you checking the fuses after removing them from the fuse box?
     
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    The am2 fuse opening will kill the car completely pretty much.

    If it were just the AM2, I would say unplug the ICWP and then replace the fuse. If everything fires up then its most likely the pump failed. With it being 3 fuses that are open, I wonder if you have a mouse that chewed up some wire harnesses.

    The 2005 I recently purchased actually had a mouse nest in the cabin air filter. That was interesting. Luckily, he must not have had an appetite for wire insulation.
     
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    correct me if i'm wrong here, but a car that is working when you shut it down, then sits for a week or two, then is dead when you try to start it: how can it be anything but the battery?
     
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    Confirming your question - the only lights I see are on the rectangle parking button next to ignition. When I press ignition once, I get green light. Again, orange/red light, and then the check engine light comes on. No other functionality anywhere. I am going to go home again this weekend and post some more pics and troubleshoot further. I ran out of time and had to head back to Chicago.

    Side note, is there any downside to it being without power for an extended period of time - meaning if I don't get around to this for a few weeks, is that going to make the problem worse?

    Second side note, when I was jumping it, my dad monkeyed with the positive terminal b/c he didn't think it was connected. Knowing what I know about jumping Prius' I about scissor kicked him. I did see a spark, but would that have damaged the fuse?

    Question that I couldn't figure out even with google - what is the ICWP, and is there a link on how I can get to it / unplug it?

    Thanks everyone - the internet is an amazing place (sometimes)
     
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    I agree - No clue. Unless it had something to do with the jump itself.
     
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    More info - I also checked the voltage at the battery itself - it was reading close to the same. 12.30v. Seems like if it was full charged it would be at 12.7, correct? It couldn't have drained that much in one day.

    Autozone said it was ok. I watched them hook it up too. But given the fact that the battery is powering the check engine light and the park / ignition light, it seems like the battery is not the issue, and there is something between the battery and the ignition that is causing the problem. That's my "I-went-to-law-school-and-know-where-to-put-the-wiper-fluid" diagnostic of the problem.
     
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    Want to kill a highmileage g2? Let it sit.

    You have a dead hybrid battery.
     
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    would that prevent the dash from lighting up properly when you push the power button?
     
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    a good 12v should hit at least 12.5v, but the bigger number is the drop when you push the power button. (put a load on it)
     
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    any chance you cross pollinated the cables when you attempted the jump start?
     
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    A very common issue is the dashboard system goes dead. It’s a small circuit board that needs to be replaced.
    That circuit board is referred to as the

    Combo meter

    Use the search forums button up top and search it. Very common needs to be replaced lots of YouTube’s on it.
     
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    I don’t think so. I have a cable that plugs in at the middle of it. So you can plug in the running car first, then hook up the dead car, and then connect in the middle. I think when I was jumping my dad took the positive and tried to connect it better and it sparked up, but that’s all I really saw.
     
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    Any way to isolate whether this is the issue? My concern is that I’m gonna have to have it towed to a mechanic which is about 20 miles away.

    I also did some research that it could be the long fuse, and that was NOT a diy job.
     
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    yeah based on post #15 seems that maybe the jumper leads were reversed so first is get a good dc voltmeter and check the 12 volt battery voltage at the front jump point under the hood in that black plastic box. I don't care what it measures at the battery itself it only matters what that battery is presenting to the main fuse box under the hood. So stay out of the trunk from here on.

    Just turn on the headlights see if they come on. No headlights no 12 volt battery.

    In the black plastic box under the hood It has a little red cover over the hot 12+ post so unlatch it and it flips up revealing the metal tang that stands up in the box that's where your RED or Positive jump lead is attached the neg jump lead goes to any ground usually the bolt right above it that bolts the strut to the car.

    That metal tang is connected directly to the 12 volt positive terminal in the trunk.

    First measure dc there at the under hood 12+ jump point should be always hot at least 12.5 volts. Your testing to see if the 100 amp fuse that's attached to the positive post of the battery is not blown. If you have 12 something volts there good now keep your volt meter leads attached and watch the behavior of the 12 volts while you have someone push the ready button. Hopefully the voltage will dip down really low under that load preventing a start because the 12 volt battery is shot and will not supply any power under load.

    If you have 12 volts there and you see no dipping at all when you push the ready button you have a blown fuse or dead hybrid battery. At that point I would check all the fuses and also pull the codes if all fuses ok.

    Many reports of the dome fuse blown which is in the cabin fuse box by your left knee. Many reports of the big 100 amp soldered in fuse under the clear plastic cover in the hood black box. That's difficult to replace if not good with a soldering iron. Many reports of blown inverter.

    You need a Toyota techstream software capable obd scanner.

    Don’t buy the obd scanner at autozone it dOES not have techstream and probably will not show all the hybrid codes thrown.

    Go on amazon buy a VXDIAG with techstream works on any laptop. $66.
     
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    I made it back home to try some more things. When I I start it, it makes a buzz. See link:


    Testing the fuses again now.