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  1. kenmce

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    Article in NY Times - The Oil Industry’s Covert Campaign to Rewrite American Car Emissions Rules - The New York Times

    When the Trump administration laid out a plan this year that would eventually allow cars to emit more pollution, automakers, the obvious winners from the proposal, balked. The changes, they said, went too far even for them.

    But it turns out that there was a hidden beneficiary of the plan that was pushing for the changes all along: the nation’s oil industry.

    In Congress, on Facebook and in statehouses nationwide, Marathon Petroleum, the country’s largest refiner, worked with powerful oil-industry groups and a conservative policy network financed by the billionaire industrialist Charles G. Koch to run a stealth campaign to roll back car emissions standards, a New York Times investigation has found.
     
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    50 years from now we'll be breathing clean air and laughing about all this... Wondering what could we be thinking to allow for this way back when.

    But for the moment & for a while longer it's so infuriating & overwhelming.
     
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    no wonder he's working so closely with the saudi assassins, pelican brief redux
     
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    Why should Marathon Petrolem stay in the shadows with all of their money and power they should sponsor an event of epic proportions!
    Bring Puffer Trucks from near and far to roar up and down the road in front of one of their refineries to show their vision of tommorrow and when the smoke clears, bring out the Koch special, a proper Puffer Truck with the exhaust coming out the front to bathe the truck in victorious smoke.
     
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    That's an interesting theory.
    How do you figure that can happen.......without about 80% of the worlds population suddenly DYING OFF ???
     
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    Well, another way:

    Maybe couple of weeks back we needed to go cross-town for a concert. Thought about it, and: left the car in the garage, took skytrain. No driving worries, no parking costs/hassles, just a couple of blocks walk downtown. Downside: about a kilometer walk at our end, due to nimby pressures that pushed the local skytrain station off into the boondocks. :rolleyes:

    Anyway, yesterday, another couple of (downtown) concert tickets were dropped in our lap: same story.
     
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    The large population die-offs are getting to be baked in by our current behavior. Priuscamper won't be happy about that, but it's not his fault, and there's nothing he can do. Life will go on and he will have the occasional chance to breath clean air and laugh while he looks over his oceanfront property in Arizona...
     
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    Population is a shallow-minded person's excuse for never questioning people's harmful behavior... This kind of malthusian-based stupidity has no sense of humanities endless adapative ability and willingness to change for the better. In fact it's the very same thinking that's most in the way of changing human behavior. But I get it, your darkness and negativity is all you know. And based on all your repeated toxic commenting, it's hard to imagine you'll ever change. Of course you're probably old enough to not have to worry about the world we're re-making in love and beauty a 1/2 century from now.
     
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    They have to stay in the shadows because their views are unpopular... Of course, there's too many people under the current US regime of dim-witted leadership that have lived their whole life hiding in the shadows for their own safety. And now that they lift their MAGA-hatted head up out of the shadows to celebrate how great it is to be an awful person, they seemed surprised that people still don't like them. Best part is they ain't seen nothing yet. We have so much more in store for them and they won't like it one bit! Their retreat back into the shadows again is certain!
     
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    It would be great if we had better management of non-renewable, but with the powers-that-be, it's going to be (as the farmer says) a tough row to hoe.
    reading this reaction .... it may not be in a ½ century that we're all holding hands -

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    Yea... Good 'ol Sam Spade has a history that brings out the worst in us...
     
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    The same thing is coming to my neighborhood.

    Well, maybe. Eventually. And it will be twice as far away as your's, even without nimbyism.

    Passenger Light Rail is expanding in Seattle-Tacome Metro area, and I've had several opportunities to finally use in the past two years. But the closest completed station is still very far away. Initial site prep is already happening nearby, but that is several extension steps beyond the current end of the line, so it will still be many years before it is functioning.

    We are already paying for it, but with long lead time and recent uncertainty in some of the other funding, I'm uncertain that it will be completed while I'm still 'young' enough to walk to it.
     
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    Skytrain invariably blows the budget on stations, throwing great gobs of architectural excess at each. Stations that people just breeze through to get on their train. The signage is terrible, and ill-placed, especially for infrequent users (us). The trains are identified by their "destination", whatever obscure, dreamt up name they've hatched for the end-of-line station.
     
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    It is not as if any set of taxpayers would pony up enough funding to complete the metro/light-rail/whatever-it-is-called all at once. I left the DC area 11 years ago and they are still building out that system into the ex-suburbs. But at least they are doing it which should benefit everyone. Of course, they never provide enough parking or transport to the stations. DC is unique in that it is small and bounded by VA across the Potomac and MD across the Anacostia so you have to traverse bridges that get clogged by 6:30AM.
     
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    Our nearby skytrain station has a MASSIVE pay parking lot, that sits virtually empty every weekday, while the neighbourhood streets and mall parking lots are clogged.

    Somewhat similar scenario at most any hospital in metro Vancouver (except maybe Delta?): they have nothing but pay parking, not cheap either, part of the cost of being sick or injured. And again, the lots sit half-empty, and cars clog the nearby streets: park-and-limp.

    Sorry, guilty of topic drift.