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2006 Prius help on HV problems

Discussion in 'Gen 2 Prius Main Forum' started by Sharnold, Feb 28, 2019.

  1. Skibob

    Skibob Senior Member

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    This might be helpful.
    Gen II Prius Individual Battery Module Replacement | PriusChat
    A hobby charger, build a load tester and a fan would get you going.
     
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    15513926728589020834517792473595.jpg Now I'm convinced he bought a dud battery dirty as I'll get at with dust and dirt everywhere it's been gone through previously

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    What do you guys think the car only had p3030 on it today after sitting all night and driving again 20190228_165025.jpg 20190228_165040.jpg 20190228_165025.jpg but I'm guessing this battery was stored improperly and leaning towards corrosion being my issue
     
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    It would cost more of any mechanic's time to "fix" that then what a person who wants a junkyard repair would be willing to spend if I had to guess. There's a lot of corrosion and it has definitely been opened before or stored in a dustbowl or something. What do the serial numbers ontop look like? Any missing in the series?

    Sometimes the cheap comes out expensive, and at this point I'd as a mechanic say the 3rd party part is faulty. That's the gamble you play when you buy salvage parts, and this customer lost. Bring me a new battery, or another junk battery but this one is done. The customer can take it home and clean it, balance it, baby it and bring it back if they want. But paying you $$$/hr to do it is foolish on such a bad donor battery to begin with.
     
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    After testing each cell on the battery they all carry 8.1volts except for 2 and they are on block 5 reading 7.8 volts I'm with you I hate when people want me to polish a turd
     
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    From the 2nd image posted, it appears a sensing wire (module 5) could fairly corroded, among other things. You could try cleaning up that harness or just swap it out, and see if that clears the DTC. Be sure to inspect all of the connectors as well.

    Below is the workup for P3030 :

    https://share.qclt.com/%E4%B8%B0%E7%94%B0%E6%99%AE%E7%91%9E%E6%96%AF%E5%8E%9F%E5%8E%82%E8%8B%B1%E6%96%87%E6%89%8B%E5%86%8Cpdf%E6%A0%BC%E5%BC%8F/Prius%20Service%20Manuals%202004/%E4%BF%AE%E7%90%86%E6%89%8B%E5%86%8C/04pruisr/05/20zmw/cip3030b.pdf

    Are you using techstream or something else?
     
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    Appreaiate it I actually have 3 more hv units to rob parts off of
     
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    Don't ignore the P0301 as that's a misfire on cylinder 1. That could also easily explain some of the inconsistent engine performance. Yes, I recognize the HV battery is done. A significantly misfiring cylinder will cause the check engine light to flash. Probably needs new plugs.
     
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    I've already fixed all the simple codes I have 4 extra engines ive already replaced the plug and the coil pack....... btw I'm actually a mechanic I'm putting a ring gear and pinion in a truck as we speak...... not a newbie but I appreciate everything yall do

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    Also, don't fall for the voltages being the same, therefore being ok. Most likely, every one of those modules, even ones with identical voltages, have extremely varying levels of charge and capacity. I have a battery on shop table right now going through testing. I installed one of my TMR-JWAP batteries into a forum members car last Saturday. It's his old battery being tested right now. It had previously been repaired TWICE by one of the "I'll come to your house and fix your HV battery" mobile repair people. Obviously they do no real testing and just swap out any "obviously" failed module. There had been 3 modules replaced. The battery coded out on an original module failing, but testing shows two of the three 'new' modules are junk. That repair method is guaranteed to leave you broken again very soon. I'll put the test data on an excel sheet this evening after I finish my taxes and post it here.
     
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    Appreciate it I have mostly done the engine and transmission work on these cars and just traded out batteries with new or refurbished but unfortunately I've had to rebuild a few also

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    Anyway, I hate doing my taxes so I decided to just do this instead. The first column was the voltage measured at each module prior to starting my testing. The second column is the initial discharge of each module. I do this so I can see exactly how much energy each module had in it in the 'as removed from the car' condition. Each column after that is the discharge following a charge cycle. I have (10) 4 channel chargers, so I can do up to 40 modules at a time if needed. I keep the battery pack exactly as it was when removed from the car. The top row is the module closest to the ecu (block 14). You can clearly see the initial voltages are not always consistent with the energy contained in the module. Columns 1-6 are mAh. A brand new module is rated for 6500 mAh capacity, but they usually test higher. Your results may vary, but this is my methodology. You can also see capacity getting better after each cycle.

    HV Batt Spreadsheet.jpg
     
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    Your the man and your math is well done. I'm to the point of replacing block five with another set of batteries that I have stored from previous jobs that I know held voltage after testing, replacing the harness with another that I have and may also replace the CPU and to be perfectly honest I need to invest in a real charger set up because I actually use power wheels chargers to do my cells....... please try not to laugh at my redneck ingenuity
     
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    Hi can you send me that spreadsheet I can't open it ,
    Also how can you tell what is the capacity amp hours and resistance of a module ?

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    The spreadsheet doesn't open on the mobile app but it opens own the Web page

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    Good question guys I'm going to clean up the corrosion on this harness with CRC but can you use diode grease when replacing the harness or will it short out. Also from you pros on here I usually replace the whole battery for a set price what a fair price for cleaning this thing up and replacing the cells?
     
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    Whatever your hourly rate is times the number of hours you worked on it? Plus parts of course. Not your fault someone went cheap
     
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    Exactly. This is the "labour" section of "parts and labour". Depending on what your hourly rate is, it may be cheaper to buy a whole set of used (but known good condition) bus bars and wiring harness of of eBay.
     
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    I have 4 more gen 2 battery cases with all parts and all components and around 60 good cells and a ton of bad I'm just not into rebuilding them for people I just replace whole units and get all my spare parts off the cars at the salvage yards I pull the engines and cvt from

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    Then it sounds like scavenging the mechanicals from bad packs would be cheaper and easier than cleaning these. Especially since the condition of the pack itself is in question. If it cleans up and works well, then you can put your corroded parts on a shelf and clean them next time you're bored.