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parked <2 hours, all electrical function dead (pre-troubleshoot)

Discussion in 'Gen 2 Prius Care, Maintenance and Troubleshooting' started by Starr Hartnett, Apr 9, 2019.

  1. Starr Hartnett

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    hi everyone... i LOVE LOVE LOVE this forum. it has been so useful since i bought my 2008 prius.

    quick run-down:
    bought with door lock fuse blowing
    replaced fuses for a while, bought an automatic circuit breaker to put in place of fuse (25a, proper size/fit)
    door locks worked with circuit breaker for about 2 weeks
    fuses no longer blow, locks still don't work (fob beeps at all doors)
    replaced 12v battery - no change (did clean up corrosion on positive terminal)
    replaced driver door actuator - no change (did get the reman' actuator with lifetime warranty, so not a total parts cost loss)

    about 4 weeks later, driven almost daily at least up/down a 1 mile hill, with no issues other than the lock, the car is parked at 4pm (with no noticed issues on that 1 mile drive up the hill - although it was a very non-mechanical human driving) and at 6pm is 100% dead - no juice.

    i have not tried to jump start it, yet.
    i have not, but am going to check the 12v terminals.
    i have a replacement fuse box since it seems that door lock circuit died entirely.

    as for standard maintenance, i have all parts on hand to replace the serpentine belt, water pump, thermostat, and tensioner/idler pulley - just because the belt looks worn and something on the gasoline engine is making noise - assuming a pulley bearing.

    what else should i check? i will report back as i get time to check the above, i'm working and have a busy kids' schedule this week!
     
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    update - had a few minutes to climb through the hatch, battery leads are tight. borrowing a trickle charger tonight, and hopefully get a multi-meter tomorrow. i still have the older 12v battery in my garage to swap if needed.
     
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    How many miles on the car?

    Most Likely it’s the dome fuse which if continued to blow is usually the inverter coolant pump,
     
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    which fuse bank is the dome fuse in? inside car or under hood?

    i believe it's at 175k miles... the 12v battery in my garage has J14 on the sticker, so it was definitely due for replacement consideration!
     
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    ok, fuses are good, jumped the car, drove it a few spaces to my driveway and plugged in the trickle charge.

    aside from not getting enough drive distance to stay charged, what are the biggest drains on the 12v battery to avoid or at least be aware of, particularly when driving small distances?
     
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    the only drain you can avoid is the sks system if it is so equipped.

    1) keep the fobs at least 20' from the car when parked

    2) shut the system off with the button on the dash under the steering wheel when not using.

    if not so equipped, the only thing you can do is put a maintainer on it every couple days to keep it topped up.
     
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    Better question is which fuse is blowing so much you put a circuit breaker in it?

    If the car can be made ready open the inverter coolant reservoir and with a flashlight look inside the reservoir for good coolant circulation. Should look like its boiling. Tepid movement of the coolant means the pump is old and should be replaced. Especially if the coolant itself has never been replaced.

    If the pump has never been replaced or wasn't even replaced years ago under the years ago factory TSB it may have the original pump in it.
    If so it needs to go.
     
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    the fuse that was blowing so much was the door lock fuse. it has no connection to the circuit any longer, i have a replacement fuse panel. it was blowing BEFORE i bought it, so i knew i was dealing with that issue. so we have manual car locks at this time, which is a pain for hatch opening!!! i'm hoping to find the wiring issue (fingers crossed the $15 replacement fuse panel resolves it) while replacing the fuse panel. the door locks have always been ALL or NOTHING, so it didn't surprise me when the actuator made no difference.

    i don't have a multimeter, yet, i will pick one up so i can test continuity in the wires and battery voltage.

    i suppose it is possible that the new battery wasn't at full charge when we installed it, so it just slowly drained, i do have the old one charging in case the new battery is faulty and has to be sent back to be replaced.

    i will look into the inverter coolant reservoir in the next few days (weather permitting, huge storm coming) and see what i can see. i don't have maintenance records on it, but it was a commuter car owned by a small local college, so at least basic maintenance was done.

    if the inverter coolant is yucky/pump needs replaced - this is different from the engine water pump, correct? and this is the one that requires the special bleeding to refill?
     
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    i thought it was straight drain and fill, but you can find threads here, and probably youtube videos
     
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    This is confusing the heck out of me. The inverter cooling pump is powered from the AM2 fuse. The DOME fuse is a 15 amp fuse that does supply door lock control along with many other items. If the AM2 blows, you lose everything on the dashboard.

    The DOME is a 15 amp fuse. Its located in the engine compartment fuse box 4th fuse from the bottom on the passenger side of the box. Is this the one you were blowing? Are you saying you removed the fuse and replaced it with a 25 amp self resetting CB?

    If not that fuse, then which? Door lock fuse isn't specific enough. Door lock control falls under many more than just one fuse. Can you give us the exact wording of the fuse and location?

    Maybe the DOOR fuse in the driver side fuse box inside the car? Labelled as DOOR and 25 amps?

    This fuse appears to supply only the Body Control ECU @ pin 4. I don't see any other loads on it, but I may be overlooking something.

    Door Lock control
    Luggage compartment door opener
    Smart entry system and wireless door lock control
    Theft Deterrent
    Wireless door lock control (without smart entry system)
     
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    I think its the 25A DOOR fuse that feeds pin 4 on the body ecu. The dome fuse also feeds pin 6 of the body ecu. Looks like the body ecu door lock motor drive actuation power comes from the body ecu so I would stop blowing that fuse or tripping that breaker you put in there because sooner or later it will blow that body ecu as you are pulling excessive current through that ecu.

    You obviously have a bad door actuator motor that is shorting out.

    This isn't a salvage title car is it?
     
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    so... i originally had 2 issues - one is resolved (although i will monitor it and take suggestions on prevention) - and i will be doing standard maintenance.

    issue 1: (ugh)

    the fuse that WAS blowing (no longer blows OR works) was the door fuse inside the car - 25a. when this would work, it either worked 100% or the fuse would blow - all doors locked/unlocked normally prior to the state it is in now which as ZERO functionality and no longer blows the fuse.

    i visually traced the driver door wiring, replaced the actuator, and plan to replace the interior fuse panel - as well as get a multimeter to trace the wires if needed.

    issue 2: (resolved)

    the dead car issue was the 12v battery - completely drained - it is brand new, but aftermarket, not OEM. did NOT charge it prior to installation, and then driven most often on a 1 mile down hill, parked 8 hours, 1 mile up hill, parked 12 hours, with only a few stop signs.

    i trickle charged the battery, turned off the auto-headlights feature and turned off the dome light. i did NOT turn off the SKS system, although this is an option, the car is parked > 20ft from the house almost all the time.

    we have let the car sit, on the new battery, for 5 days with no issue starting at the end of that - however, it seems it needs very little juice to start the car, so this makes me think the tiny driving distance is slowly draining it to use the radio, auto-headlights, and dome light (i didn't require the radio to stay off, as that gets dull - even on a short ride).

    everything else WORKS fine. and once the battery charged, it was working fine (except door locks).
     
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    nothing drains the 12v with the car ready. the problem is when it is off or acc.
     
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    this definitely changes things... so, as long as the car is STARTED, nothing should draw off the 12v... which means it may have been really low to start with, and that's all i'm dealing with - a poorly charged battery - or the braking system isn't keeping it full as it should - but i'm getting no warnings or indicators that anything is astray with that.
     
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    i'm going to apologize here, my partner does most of the driving, and he's car illiterate... so i'm troubleshooting off his experience, which means i hear a lot of 'i don't know' and 'i didn't notice anything' etc... i would trade him daily, but i happen to like my van :p - i DO drive the prius sometimes.
     
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    it might be helpful to charge it up, then check it every morning before starting the car, to track how much it is dropping a day.

    a more complicated electrical test can tell you if the draw on the 12v when the car is off is higher than spec.