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  1. a_gray_prius

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    The Brussels Times - Electric vehicles emit more CO2 than diesel ones, German study shows

     
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    More anti-EV FUD, I assume. They love their (cheating) Diesels in Germany. They also love all their aging coal-burning power plants as well. Dirtiest electricity in all the modern countries.
     
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    I thought that was Poland.

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    bwilson4web BMW i3 and Model 3

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    The referenced article was to a press release. The paper is:
    https://www.cesifo-group.de/DocDL/sd-2019-08-sinn-karl-buchal-motoren-2019-04-25.pdf

    Dieser Artikel vergleicht aufgrund offizieller Messdaten zwei Mittelklasseautos, den
    Mercedes C 220 d und den neuen Tesla Model 3, bezüglich ihres Verbrauchs an Diesel bzw.
    Strom. Dabei werden alternative marginale Energiequellen für den Strom sowie der tatsächliche
    Strommix Deutschlands aus dem Jahr 2018 zugrunde gelegt. Ferner wird eine
    Metastudie für den CO2-Ausstoß bei der Batteriefertigung berücksichtigt. Es zeigt sich, dass
    der CO2-Ausstoß des Elektromotors im günstigen Fall um etwa ein Zehntel und im ungünstigen
    Fall um ein gutes Viertel über dem Ausstoß des Dieselmotors liegt. Am günstigsten
    ist der mit Methan betriebene Verbrennungsmotor, der auch dann, wenn man die erhebliche
    Vorkettenverschmutzung beim Methan berücksichtigt, um ein knappes Drittel unter
    dem Dieselmotor liegt. Auf die Wasserstoff-Methan-Technologie zu setzen, hat zwei Vorteile.
    Zum einen ist sie langfristig der einzig funktionierende Weg zur Speicherung der
    überschießenden Stromspitzen des Wind- und Sonnenstroms, die erforderlich ist, wenn die
    Marktanteile dieser Form regenerativen Stroms ausgeweitet werden sollen. Zum anderen
    bietet sie schon aus dem Stand heraus die Möglichkeit einer erheblichen CO2-Einsparung,
    selbst wenn dieses Methan aus fossilen Quellen stammt.​

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    This article compares two middle class cars based on official metrics Mercedes C 220 d and the new Tesla Model 3, in terms of their consumption of diesel or Electricity. In doing so, alternative marginal energy sources for the electricity as well as the actual Electricity mix Germany from the year 2018 based. Furthermore, a Meta study into CO2 emissions in battery production. It shows, that the CO2 emission of the electric motor in the favorable case by about a tenth and in the unfavorable Case lies about a good quarter above the output of the diesel engine. The cheapest is the combustion engine powered by methane, even if you have the considerable Pre-chain pollution in methane accounted for by almost a third the diesel engine is located. There are two advantages to using hydrogen-methane technology. For one thing, it is the only way to save the long term excessive current peaks of wind and solar power, which is required when the Market shares of this form of renewable electricity. On the other hand even from the standpoint, it offers the possibility of considerable CO2 savings, even if this methane comes from fossil sources.​

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    bwilson4web BMW i3 and Model 3

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    Ok,



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    I've been wondering how a C220d can be compared to a Tesla Model 3 in terms of power. Is there a C with 350HP out there?...if so, its emissions are the double of the low-powered 220d...
     
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    it's germany. they don't care how you die, just die
     
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    There's the exact same discussion going on over here. I'm going to close this thread and direct everyone over there.
    EV are the worst polluters over time? | PriusChat

    Nothing personal. It's just bad form to have two relatively identical threads. Merging the two would be confusing because the conversations are different enough.
     
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