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Mayor, Ray Nagin

Discussion in 'Fred's House of Pancakes' started by hycamguy07, Aug 30, 2006.

  1. dbermanmd

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    QUOTE(priusguy04 @ Aug 31 2006, 05:10 AM) *

    If all my friends were Liberals I wouldn't need enemies, sad.gif blink.gif wink.gif

    No, you would need head and neck protection and a little potassium iodide and a lawyer well versed in Sharia code.
     
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    I'm in the camp where I don't believe they should be rebuilding those areas that were struck by Katrina. I'm not saying this because I don't believe the Government doesn't have a responsibility to its citizens, I'm saying this because I don't believe we'll get it right. Catagory 4s are now going to be common place due to the warming temps of our oceans. If you look back in history, there never were any catagory 4s until the last decade when there have been numerous hurricanes with this force. It'll take more than properly constructed, well-maintained levees to protect this area. It would take a major reconstruction of our wetlands and another look at the canals that are there. Bush doesn't have it in him to view wetlands as an asset to any degree so rebuilding is a mute point. That being said, all it would cost is one days worth of spending in Iraq to rebuild the wetlands necessary to offer this area protection. Mostly, I would argue the idiocy of this administration on this point but It's becoming a tiring task. But, as dbermanmd has stated, the citizens of Iraq are more important the the tax paying citizens of the US.
     
  3. TonyPSchaefer

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    I agree with Priusguy and dbermanmd on this one. And trust me, only on this one. ;)

    Every time I see photage of New Orleans, I say, "why the Hell don't they clean that place up?" There are recyclers chomping at the bits to get their hands on that scrap. There are architectural retorers who would love to have a go at the hardware in some of those home. I don't care how it's done, just get it cleaned up. In the first place, you can't rebuild until you clean up. Secondly, it's no wonder moral is bad when there's block after block of destroyed homes and rusting cars. Vacant lots are better than shattered home. Vacant lots say, "play ball" and "plant a garden." Shattered homes shout, "pain and destruction."

    And he turned away an offer to buy the cars and would rather spend money to do it hisself?! Makes no sense.
     
  4. hycamguy07

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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Dragonfly @ Aug 31 2006, 03:00 PM) [snapback]312310[/snapback]</div>
    No you were not talking to me, It just reminded me of the whole playground issue. my two cents.. :lol:
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    SSimon Posted Today, 05:08 PM
    I'm in the camp where I don't believe they should be rebuilding those areas that were struck by Katrina. I'm not saying this because I don't believe the Government doesn't have a responsibility to its citizens, I'm saying this because I don't believe we'll get it right.

    Catagory 4s are now going to be common place due to the warming temps of our oceans. If you look back in history, there never were any catagory 4s until the last decade when there have been numerous hurricanes with this force. It'll take more than properly constructed, well-maintained levees to protect this area. It would take a major reconstruction of our wetlands and another look at the canals that are there. Bush doesn't have it in him to view wetlands as an asset to any degree so rebuilding is a mute point.

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    SS your right, we didnt get it right the first time back in 1893 when a cat.4 hit NOLA.

    The Weather Bureau of 1900 had a code word for winds of 150 miles an hour—extreme—but no one in the bureau seriously expected to use it.

    On September 9, 1900, the impossible destroyed Galveston, Texas. A fierce hurricane roared over the thriving coastal city that day, flooding its island with water and claiming more than 6,000 lives, about 1 in every 5 residents. The storm arrived with almost no warning. The U.S. Weather Bureau had ignored forecasts of Cuban meteorologists, noting that a severe hurricane had never before hit the town.


    Galveston, Texas, after the 1900 hurricane that killed 20 percent of the city's inhabitants.
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    Judged simply on its strength, the hurricane that leveled Galveston a century ago was indeed a rare phenomenon. Meteorologists today classify it as a category 4 storm—one with sustained winds of 131 to 155 miles per hour. Few of those monsters ever arise in the Atlantic Ocean's hurricane breeding grounds, let alone smash into the U.S. mainland. In the past 150 years, fewer than a dozen have struck the U.S. coast along the Gulf of Mexico or the Atlantic.

    The most catastrophic hurricanes, known as category 5, are even more uncommon. Just two have run into the United States in the past century. In 1935, on Labor Day, one flattened the Florida Keys. In 1969, Hurricane Camille roared through Mississippi.
    The rest of the story:
    http://www.sciencenews.org/articles/20000520/bob9.asp


    Busiest Hurricane Season Ever for the U.S.: The 1886 hurricane season has been analyzed to be the busiest on record for the continental United States. Seven hurricanes were recorded to have hit the U.S.: a Saffir- Simpson Hurricane Scale Category 2 hurricane into Texas and Louisiana in June, two Category 2 hurricanes into northwest Florida in June, a Category 1 hurricane into northwest Florida in July, the Category 4 "Indianola" hurricane into Texas in August, a Category 1 hurricane into Texas in September, and a Category 3 hurricane into Louisiana in October. The previous busiest hurricane season for the United States was 1985 with six landfalling hurricanes.

    2. Extremely busy Decade for the U.S. Atlantic seaboard: The 1890s were one of the busiest decades on record for the Atlantic seaboard of the United States. Four major hurricanes impacted the coast from Georgia northward - the 1893 Category 3 "Sea Islands Hurricane" in Georgia and South Carolina, another 1893 Category 3 in South Carolina and North Carolina, in 1898 Category 4 in Georgia, and a 1899 Category 3 in North Carolina. Only the decade of the 1950s had more strong hurricanes making landfall along this part of the coast, going back to 1851 when reliable records began.

    3. Cycles of hurricane activity: These records reflect the existence of cycles of hurricane activity, rather than trends toward more frequent or stronger hurricanes. In general, the period of the 1850s to the mid-1860s was quiet, the late 1860s through the 1890s were busy and the first decade of the 1900s were quiet. (There were five hurricane seasons with at least 10 hurricanes per year in the active period of the late 1860s to the 1890s and none in the quiet periods.) Earlier work had linked these cycles of busy and quiet hurricane period in the 20th Century to natural changes in Atlantic Ocean temperatures.


    First time categorization of catastrophic 19th Century U.S. landfalling hurricanes: Several catastrophic hurricanes in U.S. history were categorized for the first time by the Saffir-Simpson Hurricane Scale. These included: the "Chenier Caminanda Hurricane" that struck Louisiana in 1893 and killed about 2000 people was assigned a Category 4 at landfall; the 1893 "Sea Islands Hurricane" killed 1000-2000 people in Georgia and South Carolina was ranked a Category 3 for its impact in both states; a hurricane in 1881 that also impacted Georgia and South Carolina and killed about 700 people was assigned Category 2 status. These hurricanes rank #2, 4 and 5, respectively, in the largest number of fatalities for U.S. landfalling tropical storms and hurricanes ever.

    However, records are somewhat incomplete along in Gulf coast and Florida because there were some coastal regions with few to no inhabitants, thus there may have been some systems mis-diagnosed in intensity in that period.) 31 major (Category 3, 4 and 5) hurricanes are recorded to have hit the United States from 1851 to 1910.

    The rest of the story:
    http://www.aoml.noaa.gov/hrd/hurdat/ B)
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(TonyPSchaefer @ Aug 31 2006, 05:18 PM) [snapback]312388[/snapback]</div>
    I agree, take the dammaged areas and make them parks lots of trees, pants, flowers, community pools, ball fields & playgrounds. Kinda like NYC's central park on a larger scale. That would make better sence.. ;) :lol: :)
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(dbermanmd @ Aug 31 2006, 11:52 AM) [snapback]312305[/snapback]</div>
    I believe our sitting president's IQ is measurably lower than most of the occupants of New Orleans. And I apologize in advance for this, but it sounds like yours might match his - for you I'm speaking of your emotional IQ. The blatant tactics you are using on this post are infantile - you sound like a right-wing radio host who rabble rouses the lowest common denominator of uneducated, emotional, reactive rednecks eager to take out their misplaced anger on the most vulnerable people in our society. And perhaps infantile is the wrong term - infants have to be taught hate. And now you've found some other people of your type to egg you on - the school bullies. You believe in spreading fear and hatred and anger and relish in your power (albeit it from a safe distance now that you've found your backing). Your mind is small, your arguments circuituous and gratuitous, your heart closed. I'm off this topic.
     
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    :angry: :angry: I'm sorry, and i'm really trying not to be too blunt, but Nagin is a MORON!!!
     
  8. Wildkow

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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Lottetrouble @ Aug 31 2006, 04:52 PM) [snapback]312443[/snapback]</div>
    Here we are, another rather long personal attack from the hatefilled left when they have no answer to an issue or different POV than their own.

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