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Deadly Convenience: Keyless Cars and Their Carbon Monoxide Toll

Discussion in 'Fred's House of Pancakes' started by Trollbait, May 14, 2018.

  1. fuzzy1

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    Well, I certainly don't fit that mold:

    (*) My newest vehicle, a couple years newer than my Prius, doesn't have Park at all. But it does have a clutch, as have all vehicles in my household in the past three and a half decades except the Prius. And all of dad's trucks too. With that clutch, there is no assurance whatsoever that key-in-hand means the vehicle is safely parked. Sis was reminded of this the hard way a few years ago, when she was interrupted by unexpected visitors, flubbed a 4WD transfer case shift, and forgot that dad hadn't had the parking brake adjusted on that particular (and oldest) truck in far far too long. Oops. At least it took out only two fences and a septic drainfield access pipe.

    (*) When traveling long distances solo, I carry two keys or fobs in order to prevent being stranded by a lockout or lost key (again). Having a key in my hand is no assurance that the car is even turned off. There are also several other scenarios where I carry two keys, such as when dropping off or picking up the car for service, such as yesterday for the MT and today for the Prius. It makes it much easier to have the shop lock a key in the vehicle so that I can pick it up after hours.

    Then there is dad's place. While keys are usually pulled out of car and truck ignitions when turned off, this is only to quiet the key-in-ignition reminder alarms. The keys are not taken away from the vehicle except when parked off the farm. For tractors, bulldozer, ATVs, etc., this is essentially never. This practice is a convenient feature of living in a deeply rural area, and I'm sure numerous others still do it too.

    Has GM ceased making manual transmission vehicles altogether? My spouse was quite happy Subaru still made them, that quickly and sharply narrowed down the field for our most recent replacement vehicle. I'd probably receive greater blowback from her for buying a normal AT car than for unchaperoned overnight travel with a certain female friend. Seriously.
     
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  2. Trollbait

    Trollbait It's a D&D thing

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    Manual transmissions made up just 3% of new car sales in 2016.
    The disappearing stick shift: Less than 3% of cars sold in the U.S. have manual transmissions

    There is probably fewer sold now than hybrids.
     
  3. fuzzy1

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    That is an extremely America-centric view. Globally, MTs still dominate:

    "At last count, just 3.9 percent of cars sold in U.S. were built with manual transmissions, but in the rest of the world, manual transmissions are still overwhelmingly the top choice. In Europe and Japan, for example, more than 80 percent of cars sold have manual transmissions."
    Manual vs. Automatic Transmissions: Who's Winning? - Quoted

    The last several times we rented cars overseas, American-friendly automatics went for triple the cost of sticks. Being still accustomed to manual transmissions on a daily basis saved us a lot of money.

    The last I noticed, hybrids were in the mid-to-high-2% range, still less than MTs.

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    Manual transmissions also help encourage teen drivers to put down the cell phone! Many of their parents could use the same treatment.

    My youngest niece drives a stick shift F-250, almost twice her age, to school. Her older sister did the same. Sure, there are some younger F-150s in the school lot too, but this is a real classic that none of her classmates, male or female, can match. Used to be one of my dad's farm trucks, probably the only one he ever traded in before it was seriously beat up.
     
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    Trollbait It's a D&D thing

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    The articles writing about the potential issues of keyless ignition are American centric publications.

    Heavy standard transmission use in Europe and Japan might mean these potential issues are less of a concern, but that doesn't help where most cars are automatics.

    The article with the 3% figure was from Nov 2016, and it has been steadily going down. Higher fuel prices might help some manuals sell, but they will help hybrids more.

    Most of the cars at my school that had a manual were sports cars, driven by people who thought they had such. The friend that taught me to drive manual could eat his burger, fries, and drink while shifting in traffic. I have my doubts about manual transmissions making drivers safer.;)

    I never owned a manual because that friend got sick of driving one in the daily traffic.
     
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    At my last job, if you took to the stairwell to get to another floor, you needed to tap your identification/access card at the destination floor. More than once I found myself pulling out my phone, then realizing nope, that's not gonna work.
     
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    Trollbait It's a D&D thing

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    The key that comes with a Model 3 is such an access card. Needs to be pulled out off the pocket to open the door, but it doesn't have a battery that could potentially kill a kid down the road. You can now get a fob if you want, but Tesla was expecting people to just set their phone for fob duty.
     
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    ETC(SS) The OTHER One Percenter.....

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    Meh.
    Still prefer rfid embedded keys.
     
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    DavidA Prius owner since July 2009

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