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Discussion in 'Gen 2 Prius Technical Discussion' started by Eddie26, Jun 13, 2019.

  1. Eddie26

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    Hello guys,
    Eddie here needs some help with his crazy gen 2 prius.

    I have just gone through battery reconditioning process on my 06, 150K miles prius and was able to get each module to 5000+ capacity, changed 4 modules, balanced the whole pack, load tested, went as meticulous as I could. Everything was working great, drove 3000 miles not one issue MPG almost 50, life is great.

    Then I asked my friend to take my car for an oil change at a garage beside work, I was late couple of hundred miles behind on my oil change.

    He calls me after oil change saying the car is shaking and suddenly stopped after the oil change in the parking lot, my first insight, was they messed up and used a wrong oil. He tried to start it multiple times so he can make it back, which I believe made things worse, without any luck!!!

    I went there with my OBDII and checked the codes, the main screen have the triangle of death and battery image on it. The only code I am getting is P0A80.
    OBD is showing all blocks at 11.8-12V (the same blocks where at 16V last month when I checked) and all of them seemed at the same low number, no bad blocks in particular, when I start the car the battery makes its clicks and shakes as if trying to start the gas engine but without any luck and the gas engine doesn't start and the battery level drops.

    I haven't replaced the 12 V battery, but its definitely due for a change based on age, I have never had to jump start, I am really not looking forward to spend more time and effort at this point and there is too many things happening at the same time, that its impossible for me to figure out what started this?
    Shall I keep on spending another couple of hundred and change the 12V battery, or shall I start pulling over the hybrid battery (which I am not looking forward for by any means)
     
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    the most likely cause is leaving the car ready, but in neutral. happens all the time during services.
     
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    Any fix you are aware of, other than pulling the main battery and charging it, I am not planning on buying grid charger for $400
    The 12V battery was tested this morning and it was perfectly fine
     
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    Check to make sure they did not overfill the oil. That could cause the engine not to run.
     
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    Hey,
    Just update on the story, the oil warning yellow like jar showed on the dash after the oil change before it completely dies, which make me really question that oil change garage, anyone had the same issue?
     
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    Repeatedly trying to restart the car with a weak pack can drain it past the point of being able to adequately spin the ICE to actually get it running.

    Battery repair is called wack-a-mole for good reason as the problem will never go away till you get all new modules (aka a new battery). See the link in my signature to see how I played that game and what eventually happens.
     
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    have you checked the oil level?
     
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    Yes I just checked, no oil showing on the dipstick just couple of drops on the bottom of the dipstick,
    he is claiming he added 3.5 quarts, my friend confirmed seeing oil on the dipstick before paying, does that make any sense, what’s driving me crazy, is I am not getting any codes or warnings now other than bad battery and no start.
     
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    First thing to do is add oil to the proper level.

    Oil change shops often check the air filter in an attempt to up sell more service. This disturbs dust that can land on the MAF sensor. All it takes is one spec of dust on the MAF sensor to disable the engine. Clean the MAF sensor!

    The end result of driving a Prius with a non functioning gas engine is a drained battery and a P0A80 code.
     
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    Sounds like they left the oil bolt out of the pan and ran it dry.
    If the engine fails to start you will get many many codes. The code reader your using is not very good and missing some codes.
    What are you using as an obd reader?

    Having owned my car 12 years I can tell you the quicky lube joints have a bad data base for the G2 it shows the engine takes 5 quarts. It does not it takes 3.6 with new oil filter. I suspect they overfilled it then it would not start or failed in the parking lot and that began a keystone cop parade of stupidity. Oil may have been dumped in a hurry and they left the oil pan bolt off and your buddy drove away....not far though.
    Engine dies and after many many attempts to start the engine it killed your hybrid battery.
    Your buddy basically destroyed your car.

    Note to lurkers. If you take your G2 to any oil change place bring them exactly 3.6 quarts of oil then they can't at least mess that part up.
    Because they will.

    Buy a 5 quart jug of Mobil 1 5-30 at Walmart for $24.95 and drain 1.4 quarts out. It has a capacity legend on the side of the bottle. Keep that bottle for future use. Buy the factory oil filter on line or at the dealer it costs $4.
    Bring the jug of 3.6 quarts of oil and the factory filter to the oil change place. Watch them change your oil. Make sure you keep the door closed so it does not drain the 12 volt battery.

    Every time I go to a Jiffy joint they always say it takes 5 quarts I say that's nice were putting in 3.6 quarts today. While ago i found a garage that lets me under the car while they change the oil. I tip them well and that's why they like me.:) I pull in I go right to the front of the line.

    Its really important to get a good look under the car now and then. Whats rusty, whats leaking. Take lots of pictures with your phone.
    It has served me well. I use that opportunity to lube the shite out of everything under there.

    Find a garage pay them cash it will really pay off over the years.
     
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    At this point, wouldn't it be simpler just to change the oil yourself, rather than having to oversee somebody whom you do not appear to trust to do the work properly?
     
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    I bought a techstream cable, I should be able to connect it on Monday and get more insight and post my findings, the question here is;
    1. If the motor was seized due to low oil or any motor damage, will Techstream tell me?
    2. With each module at 6V will it be able to start the motor at this point, roughly that's about 140V, so the gas motor would start charging the battery?
    Based on your answers and the cable information I will decide either to send the car to the dealership and ask the oil change garage to handle the expenses or fix it my self.
     
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    It's sad but true.
     
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    You guys are going about this all wrong.

    Tow the car back to the jiffy lube, talk to the manager, and don't take no for an answer. Get them to take it to a real mechanic and get the car running again. Suggest the dealer. They have insurance for this sort of thing.
     
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    Some thoughts.


    An engine not turning adequate RPM while being spun by a weak HV battery may not have enough oil pressure=oil light.


    You posted at 10 o'clock at night saying you "just checked". Could you have looked at the dipstick in less than optimal light conditions? New synthetic oil, especially on engine that basically hasn't run at all, is very hard to see on a clean dipstick (BTDT). Also, if the engine hasn't run in a while when you checked the stick then any reading is suspect.

    Unfortunately, we've seen/read numerous examples of gen 2 owners running their engines dry which can take weeks and thousands of miles to accomplish before getting an oil light. Moving a (possibly) oil drained car a few feet out of the service bay into the parking lot would seem fairly inconsequential in comparison. I have run an oil drained motorcycle engine on purpose (long story) and it didn't take any appreciatively different time to get to regular operating temp. Unless an engine has been apart, cleaned and reassembled dry, it will have some oil always in it.

    Finally, we've also seen many examples of HV batteries dying while at dealerships and car washes and the owners thinking there is a cause and effect happening.


    GOOD LUCK!
     
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    If the motor was seized it would not turn at all. No techstream will not tell you if your engine is seized but if it’s been run for any time with no oil the oil change place should fix it. They do tend to say it’s your fault somehow when they screw up. I know someone this happened to. They didn’t help at all.
     
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    Yeah you have to keep your wits about you at those places they will f your car up good. Always bring them the exact amount of oil that at least takes that possibility off the table. Now if they would just stop putting the oil pan bolt back on like its going to sea.

    I haven't used them in a while. The jiffy by my house they covered the pit holes with wood so its now about 3 feet deep so the under car guy has to crawl under there on his hands and knees. Its really stupid and brutal.

    Some idiot must have taken a header into the pit. Bet that hurt.
     
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    There are over a dozen things that can go wrong on an oil change. No excuse for not doing it yourself, which takes less time than driving to and from the lube joint.
     
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    Did you check the oil level again? If so, is it still low? Is the oil sump plug actually in place?
    If the engine is seized you would know - it would simply not even try to start. If damaged you would probably hear bad noises.
    Trying to start at 6v/ module may be pushing it, as the car may assume that there is one dead cell in each module. You will either get no chance or possibly one chance at starting it. If it starts, let it charge up for a bit, shut down, wait and repeat, to slow down the speed of charge, to reduce risk of damage. The battery sounds good if all the modules went down to the same voltage.
    Definitely check the MAF also.
    Let us know what you find!
     
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    PS the gen 2 engine is quite tough when oil goes low; I am embarrassed to say I have had no oil on my dipstick a few times, and have also had some prolonged periods between oil changes. It still runs fine, still does 0-60 in 10.05 seconds, and still has good economy. Give your car a thorough check over before any action that involves the engine trying to turn over again.