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Toyota has been dragging their feet on new vehicle technology...

Discussion in 'Prime Main Forum (2017-2022)' started by Bill Norton, Jun 19, 2019.

  1. Bill Norton

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    >Did you see the toyota video add within the linked article? Just briefly click on some of the links,, if you dare....
    And then the article goes on to point out their distinction of hybrids vs PHEV / BEV's. You have yours. This is theirs:

    If burning gasoline to charge a battery counts as “self-charging” then you might as well call any gas car “self-charging,” since all of them charge a 12 volt battery with an alternator.

    Toyota’s car does need to “recharge” – by going to a gas station, and filling itself with potential energy. At great cost, of course, to the driver’s pocketbook, environmental health, and ethical wellbeing (given that the money goes to the oil industry, which is not a good industry to fund).


    >>john, What msg are you talking about? I don't understand. Can you spell it out?

    >>> Don't get me wrong, electrek is totally a Tesla fanboi site. It's like Tesla is the only game in town for BEV's.
    What I do appreciate about Fred' articles is he wraps it up with 'Electrec's take' and where he'll use the words "What I think...".

    When you, john, say We, who are you talking about? Yourself, the royal john, or a band of like minded people. Do you talk with these people?
    You seem to always be inferring an Us vs. Them in your posts. Is someone out to get toyota? Are you looking over your shoulder much?

    Fred is honest about his personal financial stake in Tesla.
    I suspect you must have a big stake in toyota to be posting the way you do.
     
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    john1701a Prius Guru

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    Shooting the messenger, rather than even bother to address the issue of consumption & emissions... nice.

    Toyota has a solid plan for advancing their entire fleet forward. From dealer to consumer, they address the impact change of among all beyond production who will be affected. This attempt to stir old rhetoric is just a final desperate act to distract from your preferred approach. It failed. Get over it. I remember those posts. In fact, that's how some of my videos came about. I used them to shot back.

    Losing many battles puts you where on the "dragging" claim? It's easy to see how GM has no plan whatsoever to actually deliver something compelling anytime soon. Toyota on the other hand is pushing forward, showing undeniable progress in war as a whole to replace traditional vehicles. RAV4 hybrid and Corolla hybrid, the latest rollouts, show just how wide of an audience Toyota is striving to appeal too. Those are very much mainstream vehicles, both of which their hybrid systems could easily offer a plug model for later. We also see the push with larger vehicles. Highlander hybrid will have a next-gen rollout by year end. Rumors of Tacoma hybrid mule testing continue too.

    What I find especially vindicating from all that is your irritation with "we" references. Knowing that there is power in numbers and that failed legacy automaker efforts are quickly becoming just a footnote in history, there's no reason to worry about shooting from that direction anymore. The industry simply isn't interested in that approach. Toyota is moving forward by offering a very wide range of hybrids, expanding to PHV offerings with Prius & Corolla, while also exploring EV models with C-HR.

    Again, no amount of "dragging" nonsense will hide what everyone else sees.
     
  3. Bill Norton

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    How do you come up with these bold statements about 'solid plan'? Are you really an insider?
    I doubt toyota marketing wants your tone with the 'shooting', 'battles', 'war' and 'power in numbers'.
    Why do you seem to be under attack? Or is toyota under attack? And this affects you how and why?:unsure:

    I simply posted a link to an article that rightly points out that toyota has no BEV's. And none on the horizon.:(
    And kinda talks trash on BEV's...... Did you see the corolla vid? I didn't come up with the 'dragging' statement.:whistle:
    Actually I'm not in the market for a new BEV. I'm very happy with my current car line up. But BEV's are the future!
    And yes, toyota can convert other hybrids to plugin models. Just follow the cheap PiP and Prime method.
    Put a Li-Ion pack right there in the passenger compartment with cabin air for TMS and call it good! easy-peasy!

    You worry me with your paranoia. Should I see your videos? Do you link them somewhere?

    Look it's not that bad. It just doesn't matter. It just doesn't matter.
    Here,,,!!
    I think the toyota prius is the best smelly gasser out there. Has been for a long time! I really like mine!

    Now, shall WE kiss and make up and stop this discussion of battles and arms and such, MKAY?
    (That WE means you and me. Not the Royal WE....):p Have a good weekend !!
     
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    Trollbait It's a D&D thing

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    Why singling out GM? They are no longer top dog. They aren't even in the top three.

    VW is the only car company rivaling Toyota in sales. They are making huge investments into plug ins, and even have a BEV dedicated platform. Because of the scope, they likely started this before they got caught cheating. The first BEV built on the new platform will be available by the end of the year in Europe. When online reservations opened up, VW got 10k, at 1000 Euros each, in the first day. Multiple models on the new platform are already planned.

    The Leaf is flawed, but the first gen outsold the gen1 Prius, and it is the top selling BEV globally. Nissan is leveraging its architecture into hybrids and FCEVs. Don't follow Renault, but I think it is the currently the biggest BEV company in Europe.

    Hyundai/Kia have compelling hybrids and plug ins on market, or arriving.

    Tesla was merely a start up not too long ago. Their models outsell their competitors. No small or midsize luxury car even reached half of the Model 3's sales numbers last year.

    Ford is bringing back the Escape hybrid, and it will have a PHEV option. Where are the Rav4 and Camry Prime? The Escape is just the beginning of Ford's hybrid and plug in offerings. They have also made a large investment into Rivian.
     
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    Attempts to reset won't work this time. That pattern is well documented history. It has been done to death. This audience has moved on to the next chapter, the one where Toyota has set the stage for the next step into mainstream penetration.
     
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    Many of this audience has left Toyota for a plug in.
     
  7. Bill Norton

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    john,
    Once again with the tone.....:unsure:

    This is not a battlefield.
    It's a simple forum for car nerds.
    I think I can state that for US all....;)

    Since you know the inside track and the 'setting of the next step' for this japanese car manufacturer,,,(which you love?)
    When can I test drive a toyota BEV?

    Here's my next BEV spec sheet needs:
    >FWD hatchback.
    >the standard +200 mi. range. Of course CCS at any new power levels.
    >And... at least the simple Autopilot functions found on my '11 Prius level 5 with the Advanced Tech Package.

    It sounds like Kia and Hyundai are very close to offering this right now !!!

    Actually I want the state of the art AP, the Cadillac Supercruise, the only True Hands Free AP system! Yo, GM?
     
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    Toyota admitted they were caught off guard by the "EV surge"(their words), and is partnering with Subaru on a BEV platform that will be FWD. Still looks like their BEV focus will be limited to China though.
     
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    BEVs a very small niche in the automotive world. Admittedly it is important and growing but still a small slice of the overall pie. Hard to understand how we could judge an automotive maker by their performance in just this small slice of the pie.
    To get an overall picture of an Automaker why not look at its overall performance and contribution to society.

    Toyota is recognized as one of the best Corporate Citizens in the world. At each Toyota Plant employees are encouraged to do volunteer work in their communities and then are recognized in some cases by matching contributions from Toyota. In our area Toyota has funded a Technical School to train people in automotive and modern technologies. These individuals are job ready for industry when they graduate.
    Toyota also financially contributes to each community it is in. Toyota was responsible for a major contribution to a new high school in our area.
    Whenever their is a major natural disaster it seems Toyota is stepping up and making a major contribution to help. Toyota has built many factories in America and is providing thousands upon thousands of Americans with good paying jobs and financial security. In each area of the world Toyota is doing the same building factories in the countries where it sells cars and striving to become a good citizen in those communities.
    Toyota was recently recognized as one of the Top Ten best places to work in America.
    If someone wants to truly judge an Automaker look at their total impact on society, for Pete's sake don't judge them from a tiny sliver of the pie.

    I hate to see a great company mistakenly judged by a tiny piece of their whole company. It is just not fair and many people don't realize what a great contribution to society many of these companies are providing for us.
     
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