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Rear Alignment advice: bad toe. fix kit? Likely causes? (Photo/numbers included. ‘15 V)

Discussion in 'Prius v Care, Maintenance and Troubleshooting' started by AbstractGeo, Jun 24, 2019.

  1. AbstractGeo

    AbstractGeo Junior Member

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    Short version:
    • 80k mi 2015 V Three
    • Dealership did alignment
    • Right rear toe is 0.38 (should be -0.03 to 0.26. Left is 0.16)
    • “We can’t adjust the rear toe”
    • I think fix kits are available? What should I get & how should I set it up
    • I haven’t done much suspension work, but I’m comfortable with doing repairs generally
    Longer version: I bought this 2015 Prius V in March with about 75k miles - from a dealer in COnnecticut, but not Certified. (Let’s avoid the debate on the wisdom there - its a long story partially driven by desperate need). It had always seemed to be off in terms of alignment, pulling to the right. I took it to a dealer here in Maine to get the state inspection sticker & alignment done, at about 80,000 miles.

    They aligned most of the wheels, but couldn’t do anything about the Right Rear Toe. From reading these forums, it seems like this is a fairly common issue (much like my satellite radio woes & occasional loud start - no need to discuss those now). And, yes, it does still seem to be pulling right - not as badly, but it still feels off. If I understand correctly, my options are:

    • Get a new “axle” (? I wasn’t aware the rear wheels had something by that name, but, I’m guessing it’s whatever the hub/bearing attach to which also attaches to the various suspension stuff?)
    • Get a toe “fix kit,” which I think uses shims to bring the wheel back into alignment?
    I’m comfortable wrenching on my cars, and fortunately I do have a “backup vehicle” to drive if I have this one out of commission for a bit.

    Should I try to get a fix/shim kit? If so, what’s the general procedure? Can folks offer tips based on the alignment info I’ve included below? Or, is there a “proper” fix? If so, what can I expect to pay for that?

    I know some of these questions are answered all over these forums, but I figured my specific alignment measurements might help provide some context to help with figuring out the best approach, and possibly even shim measurements.

    Thanks for reading, and thanks in advance to anyone who might take the time to help!

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    Oh, yes. Also, HI! Been a reader for a bit when helping friends with their Prius questions, but this is Early Times for me posting here.
     
  2. bisco

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    the rear axle is not adjustable. there are shim kits available. a decent shoppe can do it, or look on line for shim kits if you want to diy.
     
  3. AbstractGeo

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    Do you/does anyone have suggestions for a shim kit?
     
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    Prius v has a beam rear axle with fixed hubs, so shims are used to adjust alignment.

    I would say the front and rear wheels were struck, or struck a curb or other fixed object, sideways at some point (spun in, for example), which bent the axle. The front could be aligned/adjusted out, but the rear could not.

    Whether shims can be used to adjust out this much, IDNK.
     
  5. Mendel Leisk

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    Rear wheels may be adjustable with shims, but I think it's not easy/cheap. Are you noticing anything, say poor handling, or unusual wear. If not I'd be inclined to just live with it.

    We've got signif difference between left and right camber on the rear. Tires wear ok, cornering seems fine, so I just let it be. Looking from the back:

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    Spec:

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    @bwilson4web did it in his driveway to correct his new prime, which was off straight from the factory.
     
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    The bearings have to come off. With a brand new car that's maybe not too hard, but a car that's been on the road a few years, it becomes a fight, especially with Maine winters?

    I measured the camber on ours by sliding a carpenter's square up to the tire, measuring the diff between top and bottom curb saver edge, did the math in AutoCAD. I think it's accurate...

    Again, regardless of what the numbers say, I think if the car feels fine, and the tire wear is even, I wouldn't pay it any mind (tip of the hat to Bob Dylan).
     
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  8. bisco

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    the thread is 'prius prime plus in my hands' and it starts at post 429. he used easy shims, but gen4 suspension is independent, so i'm not sure its the same technique
     
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    I no longer own any Prius but I have a BMW i3-REx. I just paid +$200 for an inferior alignment. No, I am not going back because it would take time to teach the technician. I’ll fix it myself.

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