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NEMA L6-30R / L6-30P Options

Discussion in 'Prime Plug-in Charging' started by ConfusedBirdie, Jun 19, 2019.

  1. ConfusedBirdie

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    I have a new to me 2017 Prime Advanced. My garage has a tanning bed that isn’t being used anymore and it has this setup. What can I do to take advantage of this and get Level 2 charging speeds?
     

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    It appears from the plug that there is 240v, 1 phase power to that spot. Put a dryer outlet there and build/buy an adapter and run your stock LVSE from that. 2.5 hour charges await.
     
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    Some further advice:
    • Don’t remove the NEMA 5-15P plug from the Toyota charging cable supplied with the car; it has a built-in temperature sensor.
    • Use of locking (L__-__) receptacle outlets for EV charging is prohibited by the National Electrical Code, though some jurisdictions have not adopted this provision. See 625.44 in the 2017 edition published by NFPA, kindly quoted in a previous thread by @Old Bear, for the types of straight-blade receptacles that are allowed.
     
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    Yep... (y)

    OP, do this for the win !

    Either spend ~$20 dollars & build your own, or spend ~$50 dollars for a pre-made Pigtail, then use your OE Toyota EVSE unit at 240 volts. A full charge will take 2.5 hrs or less, your OE Toyota EVSE is a Dual Voltage unit.


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    Be sure the transformer is NOT in the circuit!

    We did not get to see which breaker in the service box powers this circuit, I am assuming it is a 30 Amp breaker.

    If you plan to use a cheap EVSE, I recommend a 6-20 Receptacle.(which should have a 20 Amp breaker instead)

    The simplest way to make a L6-30 into a 6-20 is Locking Adapter NEMA L6-30P 30 Amp 250-Volt Locking Plug to NEMA 6-15/20R 15/20 Amp 250-Volt Female Connector-ADL630620 - The Home Depot

    If you decide to buy a 240 v to 5-15 adapter here is the current wiring standard

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    If you choose a 14 series receptacle, one terminal may be unused, W is the neutral. https://www.leviton.com/en/docs/55054-Instruction-Sheet-English.pdf

    Be safe! If you are at all unsure, an electrician is cheaper than a new car/home.
     
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    Thanks everyone for the advice.

    Will this
    MPI Tools Nema L6-30P Generator Power Cord Whip 3 Wire 10 Gauge 125/250v 30 Amp 10 Foot Length


    With this on the end work and be able to plug the stock charger into?

    ENERLITES Industrial Grade 20A 125V Straight Blade Cord Connector, NEMA 5-20R, 2P, 3W, 66211-BK, Black
     
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    Or should I go with this combination - 6-30p adaptor to 6-20R
    Then 6-20p on one end of cable and 5-20r on the other -

    AC WORKS NEMA L6-30P 30Amp 250Volt Locking Plug to NEMA 6-15/20R 15/20Amp 250Volt Female Connector Adapter (Orange)



    ENERLITES Industrial Grade 20A 125V Straight Blade Cord Connector, NEMA 5-20R, 2P, 3W, 66211-BK, Black


    SOOW 10/3 Bulk Cable - SOOW Jacket, 30 Amps, 3 Wire, 600v - Water and Oil Resistant (10)


    Leviton 5466-C 20 Amp, 250 Volt, Plug, Straight Blade, Industrial Grade, Grounding, Black-White
     
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    First one in post #6.


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    I like the first option, fewer wire junctions to fail.

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    You can check this L6-30P with an ohmmeter before assembly.
    Green wire is the complex shape terminal.
    White wire is either unconnected or connected to ground
    Red and Black connect to the other two terminals.

    On the 5-20R,
    Green wire is ground, there will be a green screw on the receptacle.
    White wire is Neutral, you leave it protected, but unconnected.
    Red and Black are the 240 'Hot' wires, you will attach them to the silver screw and the brass one.

    I cannot find a picture of the inside of the 5-20R, I find this which claims it is well marked. (you want red on neutral, and black on Hot)

    http://www.enerlites.com/media/mconnect_uploadfiles/6/6/66211_cutsheet.pdf
     
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    What the heck are you talking about ??

    This thread is dealing with a L6-30 which is a 3 wire receptacle or plug, Not a 4 wire like your stated green, white, red, & black wire.


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    JimboPalmer Tsar of all the Rushers

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    ConfusedBirdie asked about the MPI Tools Nema L6-30P Generator Power Cord Whip 3 Wire 10 Gauge 125/250v 30 Amp 10 Foot Length.
    www.amazon.com/MPI-Tools-L6-30P-Generator-Length/dp/B0798133SH

    Oops, on my phone I confused an external orange stripe in the insulation for a red wire, on my PC screen, it is clearly a 3 wire system. (I am old, I feel sure a young person could see that on my phone)

    So i was all wrong! New try:

    On the L6-30P:
    Green wire is the complex shape terminal.
    White and Black connect to the other two terminals.

    On the 5-20R,
    Green wire is ground, there will be a green screw on the receptacle.
    White and Black are the 240 'Hot' wires, you will attach White to the silver screw and Black to the brass one.

    I cannot find a picture of the inside of the 5-20R, I find this which claims it is well marked. (you want Green on Ground, White on neutral, and Black on Hot)
    http://www.enerlites.com/media/mconnect_uploadfiles/6/6/66211_cutsheet.pdf

    Thanks Rob43!
     
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    Excellent, now there can be harmony for all.... :) (y)


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    Sure, it is easy when the other guy really is wrong...
     
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    So I built this and I have used it a couple days. Working great, but I think I’m going to change the 5/20R end. It was extremely tedious connecting the wires to it because the wires were way bigger than the receiver was intended. I don’t trust the finished product for the long run, so I’m going to get a bigger/better end. The whole thing works fine though, a little over 2 hours full charge.
     
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    First, congrats on your success !

    Post up a few pics of your setup in my thread for everyone to see.

    A lot of these 5-20R's can Not accept a big wire, I had to search to find the one's that take a 10 AWG wire. The yellow Bryant brand 5-20R I use in my thread is actually designed to take a 10 AWG wire. Now that you've done it once, take it back apart & do it again if you need to make adjustments, it's easier the second time around.

    EDIT: I found your 5-20R on a Taiwan website, it says it takes up to a 12 AWG wire.
    www.taiwantrade.com/product/lkew-nema-straight-blade-cord-connector-lk5520r-5-20r-1646613.html



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