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My 2013 Gen 3 Audio Upgrade

Discussion in 'Gen 3 Prius Audio and Electronics' started by DJ Q, Jan 4, 2019.

  1. DJ Q

    DJ Q Junior Member

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    Next month makes one year since I've taken ownership of this vehicle, so it's been too long for me to upgrade my audio. I still believe that for a stock system, it wasn't too bad.

    So let's just get into it.
    I'm including some pics of scrapping the door since I haven't seen many of these online.

    #1 - Door Panel Removal

    01 - Removing Door Panel.jpeg

    In this picture, there are two screws that need to be removed. I'd suggest a pry tool to remove the plastic piece behind the door handle. The second screw (already removed in this pic) is in that little pocket behind the window switches.

    #2 - Door Panel Removal

    02 - Removing Door Panel.jpeg

    Pull the silver piece upwards. This can be done with your hands, no tools needed. It always feels like it's going to break, but it's fine. After you pull that piece up, the windows switches need to be pulled up as well then the plug behind it, disconnected.

    #3 - Door Panel Removal

    03 - Removing Door Panel.jpeg

    Be VERY careful here! Begin pulling the door card. It'll just pop out. Best grip I got is to the side of the speaker. When it pops out, lean toward you and look in. You need to disconnect three things. To the bottom of the pic (which is my view looking down, so it's actually the top of the door) you see a white and a green plastic going into you door handle. Lift them out of place and turn the wire till the ball simply lifts out. Failure to do this carefully is how I broke it on my Fielder.
    Secondly, the door has a light to the bottom. Reach in and disconnect the power to it. Failure to do this is how I almost broke the passenger side before taking pics of this one.

    #4 - Door Panel Removed

    04 - Door Panel Removed.jpeg

    Here's the stock 6 x 9. I took a video of it playing and couldn't really capture how it struggles at times.
    6 x 9 Toyota risers aren't readily available here so I went with one of the PriusChat user's idea of simply cutting it out and re-using the same bracket. This was the most difficult part for me to do... not because it was hard physically... but I had to take a knife to a speaker. I'm sorry to add to the murder toll :-(

    #5 - Speaker cut out

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    If you're going to do this, to make it easier for you, you just need to start the cut then pull on the surrounds. The material is pretty strong so it will unstick before it rips. After that, I just used a hacksaw to cut out the bracket. I forgot to take a pic of the new 6x9's installed, but it's a pair of Pioneer TS-A6986. These speakers are special to me because it's the first pair of speakers I ever purchased... 13 years ago. It's the first time they're ever being properly amplified.

    #6 - Stock Speaker connection

    06 - Speaker Plug resoldered.jpeg

    I'm so glad I didn't have to cut the stock speaker wiring. The plug actually comes out. I just re-soldered the new wires to run to the speaker. Yes, I know my soldering skills aren't full 100.

    After both plugs were done and speakers installed, I tested them on the Head unit to ensure everything was working before proceeding.

    #7 - Power Cable Run

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    This is by FAR the easiest power cable run I've ever had to do since the battery is in the rear of the car.

    #8 - More Power Cable

    08 - Power Cable Run.jpeg

    It's like they knew I wanted to run 4 AWG cable

    #9 - Power plant

    09 - Power Cable Run (nb seat plugs).jpeg

    YES the floor's super dirty.
    This is below the driver's seat. ENSURE TO DISCONNECT THE BATTERY BEFORE THIS STEP.
    I didn't take pics when removing, but those two plugs are from the seat it self. White is for the seatbelt, yellow for the seat airbag. Just my advice because it took me ages to figure it out...
    With the yellow plug, when you press on the inner white tab, the outer yellow part comes up first, then press that same white tab again to release the whole plug. Damn near broke the thing out trying to figure this out.

    #10 - Harness

    10 - Harness Prep.jpeg

    I'm using the stock Head Unit for now so I bought the harnesses to avoid any cutting. This is by far the neatest wiring I've ever done. The darker blue wires below will receive power from the amp and send it back through the stock plug, while the light blue wire is the remote turn on. What looks like a single black wire above is actually taking the original feed from the head unit to send to an RCA converter which will then be run to the amp.

    #11 - Tweeter removal and replacement
    11 - Old vs New.jpeg

    So here's the old vs the new. What's not pictured here is the stock plug that I removed from the old tweeter. I needed that later.
    The speaker replacing the tweeter is a Faital Pro 3FE200.

    12 - Old vs New.jpeg

    #12 - Factory Plug speaker jump

    13 - Speaker Jump.jpeg

    So here's the original connection to the tweeter. The factory wiring runs to the tweeter, has a capacitor to block unwanted frequencies then send the full range to the factory woofer. I ran those blue cables you see there then simply plugged the tweeterless connection right back in to allow the original door speaker wires to be used.

    #13 - Wire Runs

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    Ran speaker and RCA wires through the center console. Was pretty surprised when I saw how dirty in there was.

    #14 - Final placement

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    This is the last picture I took before completing. As simple as everything looks here, thanks to lack of proper tools in some cases, new discovery in others... this took me two days to do.
    Patience was running low coming down to the end so please forgive me for the lack of pictures.

    There's three things left to do:

    1) For some reason I'm not getting signal from one of the leads from the head unit. Ruled out the RCA, amp and pre-amp so it's either the converter, bad solder, or the adapter itself. Right now the front is playing a mono signal.

    2) Subwoofer to go in a custom fiberglass enclosure.

    3) Get some proper wiring looms to enclose the speaker wires.

    Will update when I'm actually completed.
     
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  2. DarkSasuke

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    you are pretty good at this
    props :)
     
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    How did you end up. Was it a success. I would have taken signal for rca,'s from center pillar feeding rear doors
     
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    Thanks for sharing. This is a topic where I wish we had more posts.
     
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    Want to know how he ended up. When i had a small jl amp running off 12v battery i hated the charging battery. I felt my hybrid battery was struggling all the time and ice would kick in so that idea was scrapped quite quickly
     
  6. DJ Q

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    It was a success, yet I'm still running mono for the time being. Don't really have the patience to scrap everything from behind the head unit to check that. I'll probably keep it like that until I change the unit entirely.

    It's my pleasure. I'm always happy to share the knowledge. I'll continue to post updates once they're available.

    I was curious about this myself. I'm glad to report that I've seen virtually no change to my mpg or ICE habits.
    What's important is that my amp is Class D. Class D amps are significantly more efficient.
     
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    I was looking to replace all my speakers with Memphis and Amp. Dual Ported 12in subsat 800rms Was curious if I needed to battery swap from the little 325cca to 530cca Bosch AGM platinum.

    Posted via the PriusChat mobile app.
     
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    I just got a complete sound system installed in my gen 3. A 2nd upgrade to a high end system (with amp and capacitor install this time).

    It took 2 guys the whole day (about 7-8 hours) to install.

    I don’t think I would attempt a complete sound system install myself.. I could do it with proper tools and research, but it would take ages.

    I just got a shipment of 10 gauge pure copper speaker wire and going back to shop to have them wire directly from amp to my Focal speakers.

    Unfortunately they will have to drill
    holes into side of doors but that can be sealed around so it doesn’t look bad.

    Anyways , I always love the DIY stuff.. although yours wasn’t perfect , you saved money and learned some stuff.
     
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  10. DJ Q

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    It depends on the current draw. Cold Cranking Amps are more important for engine starts. Seeing that the 12V battery isn't used to start the car, what we really need to check is how much current supply is available when the battery is being charged. In other words, Ah (Amp Hours) is more critical. You should not rely solely on your battery to power your amplifier.

    I saw somewhere previously that something with a 60A current draw is a safe zone, which is the exact size of my fuse.
    My next upgrade will take that number up to 140A.

    With my current system (at full tilt) there's no dimming or any obvious drain on the electrical system.
    I will say though, that because my grounding isn't the best, with the pre-amp's volume at max, I can hear every time the brake booster engages, and when the engine's about to start or stop :LOL:

    That's NOT good btw.

    So there's a couple things about this post that I'd like to point out.

    Firstly, I'd ditch the capacitor. Unless you're into SPL and need that immediate current for competition level burps, it's not going to make a difference.

    Secondly, for the life of me I can't see why it'll take two people at a reputable shop, with proper tools, so long to do such a job. My biggest problem was that I had no help and worked with the tools I have instead of always what was really needed.

    What you said there is key. Proper tools and research is key.
    What I love about doing this myself is that if something's wrong, I know everything that happened in the background so I know where to look. There's no guessing. It might take longer, but you appreciate it more.

    Why?????

    I appreciate DIY as well.
    I'm not a newbie to this.
    The purpose of this system was to be a quick, cheap, temporary thing and it's doing what I want for the time being.

    More to come as time goes on :cool:
     
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    Drill holes into door because the 10 gauge speaker wire will not fit through current holes that the stock 16 gauge speaker wire currently run through.

    That’s what they told me.

    Now you got me thinking if the current holes in the doors are big enough to accommodate 10 gauge wires.

    I think I was exaggerating on the install time. It seemed like an eternity as I waited there (probably more like 3.5-4 hrs)
     
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    I'm very sure you do not need to upgrade the stock speaker wiring.
    It's very thick.

    People tell you all kinds of garbage to try to sell you more stuff.
     
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    It was actually my idea.. the audio shop guy said he didn’t think it was necessary.. ( car audio-philes will have a mixed opinion on this ) but would do it if I requested.

    It’s just that I have extremely good speakers and when I see the flimsy 16 gauge wires compared to 10 gauge, I cringe.
     
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    I won't grade myself as "audiophile" so I won't really dive further into that.
    I will say though, that I appreciate good, clean balanced sound... not just loud.
     
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    I’m going back to audio shop in a few days to have them install the 10 gauge speaker wire.

    Any other votes for ditching capacitor? Could it possibly harm hybrid system?

    I haven’t noticed any electrical problems after install.. and it’s been about 2 weeks now.

    Only thing with removing cap. is id have to sell it (which isn’t such a big problem).
     
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    Just want to add, total DC/DC output from the inverter is 100A total. You don’t want to overload that.
     
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    Did they say why you need to upgrade to 10 gauge? And how much watts will each 10 gauge lead be carrying?
     
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    I second that. 10awg seems larger for a 6.5" or 6x9 speaker.

    Pixel 3a XL ?
     
  19. DJ Q

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    This is news to me.
    I'm very grateful for this info.
    Explains why it was recommended not to cross 60A
     
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    Hi. I am new to this group. I currently have a 2010 Toyota Prius t spirit which I'm assuming has the JBL speakers in. I was wanting to put in to 12 inch subs and an amplifier. But when I went to the local shop to ask. The gentleman mentioned that I should be looking at how much amps the system will draw out of the battery and whether the alternator can charge it up fast enough. Can someone who has a subwoofer install help me as I'm new to the world of subs aswell. I was looking to Install 2 12 Inch pioneer TS-W311D4 SUBS with a pioneer GM-D9601 2400w mono class D amplifier. Any responses will be greatly appreciated.