Sexual Offenders / Preditors in your Neighborhood

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(priusguy04 @ Sep 4 2006, 10:17 AM) [snapback]314038[/snapback]</div>

Wow, the closest one was .96 miles from me... thats much farthur than when I lived in Washington state.

Its a bit funny, they don't want to make mary jane legal because it leads to harsher drugs, yet billions are being made on porn everyday on all the satellite and cable channels and they are too afraid of the financial impact and screaming that will incur if they act upon what they already know.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(priusguy04 @ Sep 4 2006, 06:37 PM) [snapback]314276[/snapback]</div>

thanks.. I'm still pretty busy, but I'm trying to get in there a little.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(priusguy04 @ Sep 4 2006, 01:17 PM) [snapback]314038[/snapback]</div>

My state doesn't release the addresses of registered offenders, only their zip code.


I'd like to raise a question... though before you read, keep in mind that I am in no way condoning the actions sexual offenders, nor am I excusing them or their actions.

If we claim that our prison system is rehabilitative and not punitive, why do we release these people back into "the wild", if you will? Think about it... If these people are such a menace to society that we find it necessary to infringe upon their rights and essentially ruin the rest of their lives why do we ever release them? Doesn't the simple fact that we find it necessary to harass these people for the rest of their lives show that our penal system is a farce, that it obviously doesn't work, and that it is intellectually dishonest and simply an exercise in political correctness to believe that our penal system is anything but a punishment?



<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(windstrings @ Sep 4 2006, 09:15 PM) [snapback]314260[/snapback]</div>

Are you really claiming that pornography causes pedophiles?

By the way, the claim isn't that pot leads to harsher drugs in and of itself... it's that the risk-taking behavior that one engaged in by smoking pot eventually (for some people) leads to trying harsher drugs... just like skydiving eventually (for some people) leads to base-jumping and other progressivly risky behavior... but really, the same can be said for anything... take, for example, exceeding the speed limit... one day, you're late to work, so you speed... eventually, before you know it, for some people, you're always speeding...

 

Its hard to claim to be "rehabilitative" when they allow porn in the prison.

And yes, I think there is a direct link.

Aren't women turned into the sluts that they are and deserve what they get?
Aren't they asking for it?
Aren't they stupid and beneath our dignity and are there to be used and thrown away?
Doesn't it promote intimacy without relationship and relatiohship without intimacy?

Many a powerful vices grab and hold men of great stature and supposed integrity in our society, yet down deep they are help by powerful vices that control thier thoughts until they lash out and kill themselves or someone else.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(windstrings @ Sep 5 2006, 01:09 PM) [snapback]314606[/snapback]</div>

I'm not quite sure how to respond to your post, because I'm unable to ascertain what context you are posing those questions in. Are they sarcastic, or is that how you really feel?

 

I think he's trying to show where he thinks pornography leads some men's minds. It is a confusing post though, and as far as I'm concerned, not that simple. There are lots of "legal" vices to complain about, and even good things can lead to bad thoughts and actions.

And I say, cast that first stone if you want. I won't. If someone is rehabilitated, or at least sufficiently deterred from behavior that clearly harms other people, then I'm not going to take it upon myself to try to punish them further.

Keep my children away from them? I guess I can't argue against that, but I wonder what kind of undue punishment some of these criminals are getting.

I don't know. I can't see any good coming from not warning people in a community who the known sexual preditors are, and if someone has harmed a child in that way I find it hard to feel sympathetic... Did I just completely flip my position in one post?

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Ichabod @ Sep 5 2006, 02:29 PM) [snapback]314653[/snapback]</div>

do not know, guess my point is that if these people are such a menace that we find it necessary to continually trample their rights, then we shouldn't be letting them the hell out in the first place.

 

I agree if someone had "paid there debt" to society, that implies they are free from debt and forgiven therefore we should not be bringing up the past to rub it in thier face if they are no longer guilty.

However, some crimes do not rehabilitate, they only punish and release in hope they will not commit again, but no one claims them to be rehabilitated, nor does anyone really expect them never to commit again, yet they are still released because you can't really "tell" what someones future actions will be and you can't just hold them forever.

So, what do we do... invite our kids to play with them because they have spent time in prison assuming that cured them?

I think not..... Sexual crimes have proven to be more addictive than cocaine in thier liklihood or reoccurance... in fact, they are saying now.. "you cannot rehabilitate a sexual criminal".

So if they have offended enough to get their pretty picture on the internet, then yes, we should know who they are if we like because they are likely to commit again.

They are normal men with wolves appetites for cute little girls and they cannot control the passions that drive them.

Porn feeds the fire in secret and a bigger fire only demands more fuel to sustain itself.

This reminds me of the alchoholic that says.. "I'm not an alchoholic.. I can quit anytime I want", but will never give up his drink.

Even so, many want to defend porn, but cannot give it up and never touch it again as if it never existed....
All the whiles they play to its passions, they claim they are not under its spell.

If its not harmful and they are not under its spell, then why not ban it?..

Ha Ha!.. that will never happen... its been here since the beginning of time.. it has so much power, men will not ban it...

they ban it on the surface to save face and play politics, but in secret they feed upon it.....

Quit kidding yourselves will ya?

some have no problem with it, but those same men don't look at it either....

the ones that say they have no problem with it are the ones that feed upon it like candy.

Why shouldn't we know who they are.... yes its embarrasing for them and it could ruin thier careers, but thats not as important as letting the wolves into the baby sheeps bin to teach in our schools, daycares and churches, and play ball with next door.

 

Yeah that's a tricky one. You don't want to unjustly continue to punish someone, but at the same time, you don't want someone relapsing and expressing their sickness with your child.

I don't know what it takes to get yourself on that list, but I have a feeling that some of those people's crimes are of wildly different magnitudes, but they may receive the same harsh and unjust social punishment for many years to come.

And windstrings, I think you're over-simplifying the raltionship of porn to this. I won't try to argue for or against it, but I will say that I think people with the kind of sickness that makes them abuse children may be just as likely to do so without porn as an inciter. Statistics might not help, since I'm guessing those same people will be equally drawn to porn as to sex crimes, and porn is perhaps more readily obtained, so it probably expresses their weakness earlier

 

I agree there are other avenues that lead to these types of crimes... many abuses etc when young from some nice uncle.... but others just get curious and start playing with it and it gets them... kinda like playing with cigarettes, alchohol, or any addictive substance.

I have a friend who has been in jail for almost a year for doing something with this stepdaughter "who was 16 btw" and he is still not on that list!

I used to be a fireman and my best friends dad was the cheif arsen investigator for houston texas and I heard stories of people setting houses on fire and hiding in the bushes while they masterbated while watching the flames.

they can take rats and tie electrodes to thier pleasure centers in thier brain whereas they get stimulated everytime they touch a near lethal plate with electricity. The rats will keep touching it till it kills them!

Wires in peoples brains can get crossed when they tie thier pleasure centers with "any" activity.

Taking advantage of children can start off rather innocent at first...... many have been burn't and cannot trust a relationship from one more mature that can see through thier demise. Children are the only ones who will accept them because they can't see how screwed up they are and they don't sense the twisted danger.
Many times it started in High school when the girls not only did not like them, but made fun of them.... all the whiles they were attracted to the very thing that seemed to reject them.

Pure and innocent, accepting, loving..... yep those are the ones the wolves go for because they are the safest.

Once a dog gets a taste of a nice chicken, they cannot go back and must be shot... even so many a vicious appetites are started with experimentation on the net with porn.

There are actually places that allow you to kill someone for a high enough price... you go in with a diquise and no one knows who you are and you get to kill someone "who was abducted" just for the thrill of it!

That often starts with internet experiementation first.

We tend to dismiss the crimes that don't offend anyone per se.... like porn, but the damage is just as far reaching and deep and getting off watching people getting killed until you must try it yourself.

I know some may think I'm full of it, but there are millions out there who can confirm what I say, but few will have the guts to speak up.

Heck its so prevelant... even "Larry the cable guy" made a joke about how he wished Brittney Spears was his daughter!

 

884 in my neighborhood!! :huh: :angry:

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(SteveS @ Sep 5 2006, 07:31 AM) [snapback]314499[/snapback]</div>

Its a good question, even though some will pounce on you that you are being too good to sexual predators. I think the answer to the question is a complicated one, and I'll give you my perspective on it based on what I know of California's laws on the subject.

In the 1960's and into the early 1970's, California had an intense program to rehab sexual predators and then, when cured, release them back into the community. We had special mental hospitals/prisons that housed only sexual offenders. But the recidivism rate was unacceptably high, and pretty soon, our mental health professionals were telling us that certain kinds of sexual deviancy could not be "cured", especially pedophilia and violent sexual offenders. During this same time, our "habitual offender" laws were overruled, and we were faced with some unpleasant choices about how to deal with the problem of predatory behaviour. Over the next few years, determinate sentencing became popular, where judges were given less latitude in sentencing an offender, with longer terms mandated in the law itself. Then, I think in the 1990's, the habitual offender laws came back in the guise of "Three Strikes" laws that establish a framework for 25 year to life sentences for any felony after two violent felonies (controversial because many misdemeanors are felonies if committed by a felon on parole, which is how you get shoplifting being the third strike for some folks.)

Against the backdrop of our constant balancing act of the rights of the accused and the severity of the punishment for those convicted, the victim's rights movement started gaining people's attention. Accounts of a single child molester who had hundreds of victims, and statistics that said 25% of girls are sexually molested shocked the public, and parents were concerned. Pre schools were accused of having massive sex orgies, with "naked movie star" days and airplane trips to other cities in what I believe was a type of mass hysteria, an over-reaction to a very real problem that trampled the rights of the accused in a few high profile cases.

However, parents and others did have a legitimate concern: why should the records be so hard to obtain?
Arrest and conviction records have always been public, but in the past, you had to go to the courthouse or police station and pour through the records. Before computerization, the records available to the average citizen were alphabetical, and a lot of work had to be done to pour through the records and find out who lived near you.

Initiatives were passed requiring the listing of all convictions for sex crimes to be listed in a format easy to understand, so the parents who were concerned could find out where, in their neighborhood, the offenders lived. At first, the police stations kept books you could look at, usually after providing your ID to show you lived in their town. The obvious concern about vigilantism never bore fruit, and the books got moderate use.
Later, in California, an initiative was passed that forced on-line records, so that a parent did not have to reveal that they were concerned about their neighbors.

So, the "Internet Megan's List" type of search was mandated (in California at least) by an initiative, and many states followed suit. Convictions are public records, and there is no violation of the convicted felon's right to privacy by listing his crime and where he lives ... he specifically gave up his right to any such privacy when he was convicted of the crime. The practice has served to raise awareness of the predators in every neighborhood, and has not led to an increase of murders of convicted child molestors. The information is used by law abiding citizens who have every right to full access to the records because they, through their representatives, are the ones who tried, convicted and sentenced the bastards.


<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Ichabod @ Sep 5 2006, 12:40 PM) [snapback]314698[/snapback]</div>

You are making a mistake in thinking that the prison sentence is the only punishment. The rest of the punishment is that you have to register as a sex offender, your name is in the public record as a sex offender, you cannot leave the city and travel to another city (in some cases) or move to another city without notifying the police departments and registering in both cities, you cannot travel to another state without advising the police in that state that you are coming, you cannot vote (in some cases), you cannot work with children in any volunteer capacity (Boy Scouts, etc.), you cannot live within 500 feet of a school, etc.

The punishment extends beyond the "time served" because the crime you committed carries a number of consequences. Having everyone warned about your sick, predatory behaviour is one of the things you brought upon yourself.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(windstrings @ Sep 5 2006, 01:40 PM) [snapback]314729[/snapback]</div>

This is just silly. Do you have any proof, other than a televangelist's fund raising letter?

The reason I ask is that I actually did quite a bit of research on a claim made by feminists in the 1970s and 1980's that there was an epidemic of women being choked to death by their over-anxious husbands who had seen the movie "Deep Throat". It was one of those urban myths, like the infamous "snuff film" that never really existed, but was mentioned in numerous news articles.

My uncle used to say something I thought corny at the time, but I've come to like more and more: You can go to hell just as fast for lyin' as you can for stealin'. The writers of those fund raising letters should hear that one a few times.

 

The more accountability the better. I really think the reason people are so much more friendly in small communites verses large is accountability.
Almost anything you do in a small community is known throughout and you are not invisible so you think twice before offending or commiting a crime against another because you have to live with that person.

But in large cities, people become numbers and mere objects of contention to move around out of the way on the road to get what you want.
They become "tools" to manipulate rather than have relationship with.

Whats wrong with the your telephone conversations being known and every crime you have ever committed being known?... why is that scary to some people?

You might say "its none of thier business"..... I disagree, if they have to live with you, they have a right to know who you are and who lives among them.

Why does everyone had so much to hide?

If everybodys business was known more, you would not stick out like a sore thumb when people saw you were human.

We live in this illusion that our defecation doesn't stink and we never have to change our shorts.

Everyone gets up the same, we all have to eat, sleep and we all struggle with the same passions.

Maybe there would be far less self righteousness if everything was known... and less bigotry because everyone could see everything.

I know that can never happen because so many issues are issues of the heart.... where the issues of life come from.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(windstrings @ Sep 6 2006, 10:46 AM) [snapback]315142[/snapback]</div>

I see. So the Government should monitor every moment of our lives and send you a comprehensive report every day because you live under some delusion that just because you live in the same general area you have a right to stick your nose in my business.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(priusguy04 @ Sep 6 2006, 09:08 AM) [snapback]315200[/snapback]</div>

Thats funny!... its also funny how touchy the offenders are at the prospect of having thier balls removed... but they should be thankful thats a viable option!
I really don't think they realize the severe lifetime damage that is done to minors and small children and that damage is passed onto generations.

Some crimes really carry alot of weight and cause far reaching ripples long long past any prison sentence is over, and thats one of them.

 

maybe castration is a solution. the argument for this has to be nature over nurture. i say this because the majority of registered sexual offenders are male. i did not see one female name listed on this site in my area (i ran multiple zip codes for me, my sisters). unless females are particularily good at eluding capture, it seems males have a significantly greater predilection for child molestation. throughout my life i have encountered a handful of people who fell victim to child abuse. most were female. so the fact that the perputrators are largely male leads me to believe that this is not a practice that's learned and repeated by victims. something else must be a catalyst like hormones or infrastructure of the male brain????