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Low MPGs and recent battery issues

Discussion in 'Gen 2 Prius Care, Maintenance and Troubleshooting' started by mjl1127, Jul 4, 2019.

  1. mjl1127

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    Hi all:
    I've been trying to search past threads to find an answer to my situation, but since I haven't yet found exactly the info I'm looking for I decided to go ahead and post. Bear with me as I explain the history of my car and a more recent trend :)

    I have a 2008 Gen 2 with around 110k miles, bought used in 2014 with about 60k miles on it. I have always felt like my mileage is lower than other Prius owners report. In the first two years of owning my Prius, living in the San Francisco Bay Area with fairly mild winter weather, I did a combination of short trips (~5-15 minutes) and longer freeway driving >30 minutes, and my mileage usually fell in the low 40s. A really good tank would get 44-45.

    I then spent the next 2.5 years in Nashville, where I did even more short trips and noticed a slight but noticeable decline in mileage. A lot of tanks would get mid to high 30s, and occasional cold weather really killed my mileage to even as low as high 20s.

    I just made a cross-country move to Idaho with my car loaded to the brim in addition to a roof rack and cargo box on top. When I got to the Rockies I noticed that on any incline my battery would pretty quickly drop to as low as 1 bar, which I don't know if I've ever seen before. The battery cooling vent came on a lot, and driving on I-70 at one point I was literally flooring it and could only reach 55-60mpg. Then on a long downhill stretch just that, where I didn't use the gas pedal at all, my battery didn't even make it back to the green zone like I would have expected. My mileage on that trip is about what I had been getting, high 30s with one tank in the low 40s.

    Since unloading my car and removing the cargo box things have improved to closer to normal, however I have noticed that the battery indicator goes down to the purple zone more often than it ever did before. It used to be rare that it got that low, but I notice it pretty often now, such as when accelerating onto the highway. The majority of the time it is in the blue range and doesn't necessarily seem to get to green any more than it used to. On my gas tracking app the average mpg for the past 22k miles is 38. I should note that I am fairly conscious of how I drive in order to maximize mpgs and usually try to keep my tires filled slightly higher than the manual recommends.

    So I have several questions that I hope some of you might be able to answer:

    - Is the mileage I'm getting normal for the age of my car and the fact that the majority of my driving is short trips <10 miles?

    - Is the battery function that I described on my road trip indicative of a potentially struggling battery, or is that just related to the fact that my car was so loaded down and trying to go over mountain passes? Or both?

    - Is there any way for the dealership to test the health of the battery (without costing an arm and a leg)? If so, and if they found declining function, what if any are the options to restore some function? Battery conditioning?

    Thanks in advance!!
     
  2. Raytheeagle

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    Welcome to Prius Chat (y).

    The signs you are talking about are a sign of a weak battery. Those of us that DIY buy the Hybrid Automotive Prolong equipment and maintain the battery:).

    Your mileage sounds normal for a lot of short trips, so unless you extend your drives, that’s still better than any normal gas only powered car.

    You can continue to operate the car just know that the battery is showing signs of age and wear(y).
     
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  3. exstudent

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    Good on inflating above the door jamb of 35/33. You will definitely get under inflation wear pattern, assuming the alignment is good. Many here seem to go 42/40, 40/38 or 38/36. Ultimately your choice. Just be sure to NEVER exceed the MAX cold tire PSI rating listed on the tire.

    Good. You bought it while it still had the original HV Battery.

    I vote normal range for you. Another driver who drives slowly might get better MPG. You would unlikely get into the 40s MPG w/ a Civic/Corolla/Focus.

    No surprises here. Colder weather will adversely effect MPG. Add to that short trips, a double whammy.

    No surprises here. The car was getting a super workout. The HV Battery was being put to work and the fan came on to keep the battery cool.

    Under normal circumstances, I would be concerned, BUT:
    1) You had a massive aerodynamic drag sitting on the roof, that only hurts you.
    2) Gen2 gas and electric engine is weak. Gen3 gas and electric engines a nice upgrade!
    3) The car was fully loaded, and probably exceeded the maximum weight carrying capacity of 810lbs.
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    Cause of concern, but no codes/warning lights displayed. Don't second guess the Prius. Crazy well designed.

    I vote no need for alarm b/c car likely overloaded and the aerodynamic anchor on the roof only hurts.

    See, back to normal.

    You could be in early stages of HV Battery failure. People who get HV Battery failure codes have reported frequent, and quick fluctuations on HV Battery SOC (State of Charge): purple to green and hearing the HV battery fan.

    Probably. Short trips hurt. The HV Battery is old. Colder temperatures hurt too: moved from SF (never "cold), to an area that gets four seasons and has COLD winters.

    If your current residence has an electrical outlet where you park, consider an engine block heater for winter; this will definetely help Winter MPG. Use a timer to come on for maybe an hour before you leave the next morning, and be sure to disconnect the the extension cord going to the block heater.

    I vote overloaded car w/ the aerodynamic anchor on the roof was the cause of all the symptoms.

    Unlikely the dealership will do a load test on the HV battery. The technician will probably run a "heath check" w/ Techstream, which will report no problems.

    You can invest in the Prolong product mentioned in post#2. You should also be setting money aside for future repairs that can be costly. HV Battery replacement is relatively costly at $1600+ for new OEM HV battery or $1600 for new cylindrical module replacement. Many posts about this here. You just need to decide what you will do when faced w/ an HV battery replacement issue and what your plans are w/ the car (short term/long term).
     
  4. pasadena_commut

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    I started another thread (look it up under my name) about mpg on short trips. Bottom line, 5-15 is very short and the car will only be returning good mpg after about 10 minutes once it has fully warmed up. So your results are pretty much what I would expect. That said, do check your 12V battery. Mine was in poor shape and putting in a new one made a very large difference in the fuel economy. Also not nearly as expensive as swapping in a new HV battery!

    You messed up the car's aerodynamics by putting a box on top and then drove it at high altitudes, both of which are bad for fuel economy. So high 30's is within reason.

    It does sound like your HV battery isn't so great. You can get a mini VCI cable and Techstream software and that can show you voltage test points in the battery, if the variance is too large the battery isn't in good shape. The dealer can do the same thing, but the cable will probably cost less than the dealer would charge to run any sort of diagnostic. You might be able to keep a battery like that limping along for a while using a grid charger of some type. If you have not cleaned out the big battery's cooling fan (ever) maybe start with that though. Especially if you have a dog or some other source of fluff to jam it up. Many instructions for doing this, for instance:
     
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  5. mjl1127

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    Thank you all for the replies!! So I gather that my mileage is probably due to all my quick trips - I guess I'll just be happy with a short commute and the lower gas consumption overall that that involves despite lower average mpg ;)

    As for the signs that the battery could be weakening, is this indicative of a possible impending *failure*, or just lessening power as the car gets older? How rapidly does the battery tend to weaken to the point of failure once you start noticing mild symptoms like mine? I do imagine potentially getting a new car in another year or two (living closer to mountains may necessitate 4WD), but I would obviously love to avoid a costly battery replacement before then.

    Another question I thought of - does synthetic vs. traditional oil play any significant role in mileage? For the past couple years I've been using traditional for the cost savings, but I'm planning to switch back to synthetic. Curious if I will notice any improvement....

    Just as an aside to address some other points made - the 12V was just replaced about 6 months ago. I also don't think I exceeded the car's max load capacity, especially since I was careful to abide by the 125lb max weight for the roof rack. However, I am sure the increased drag and weight absolutely played a big factor.

    Thanks again for everyone's insight! This saves me a probably useless trip to Toyota for help ;)
     
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    all the best!(y)