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Do You Owe Rove an Apology Too?

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  1. dbermanmd

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    One Leak and a Flood of Silliness

    By David S. Broder
    Thursday, September 7, 2006; A27

    Conspiracy theories flourish in politics, and most of them have no more basis than spring training hopes for the Chicago Cubs.

    Whenever things turn dicey for Republicans, they complain about the "liberal media" sabotaging them. And when Democrats get in a jam, they take up Hillary Clinton's warnings about a "vast right-wing conspiracy."

    For much of the past five years, dark suspicions have been voiced about the Bush White House undermining its critics, and Karl Rove has been fingered as the chief culprit in this supposed plot to suppress the opposition.

    Now at least one count in that indictment has been substantially weakened -- the charge that Rove masterminded a conspiracy to discredit Iraq intelligence critic Joseph Wilson by "outing" his CIA-operative wife, Valerie Plame.

    I have written almost nothing about the Wilson-Plame case, because it seemed overblown to me from the start. Wilson's claim in a New York Times op-ed about his memo on the supposed Iraqi purchase of uranium yellowcake from Niger; the Robert D. Novak column naming Plame as the person who had recommended Wilson to check up on the reported sale; the call for a special prosecutor and the lengthy interrogation that led to the jailing of Judith Miller of the New York Times and the deposition of several other reporters; and, finally, the indictment of Lewis "Scooter" Libby, Vice President Cheney's chief of staff -- all of this struck me as being a tempest in a teapot.

    No one behaved well in the whole mess -- not Wilson, not Libby, not special prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald and not the reporters involved.

    The only time I commented on the case was to caution reporters who offered bold First Amendment defenses for keeping their sources' names secret that they had better examine the motivations of the people leaking the information to be sure they deserve protection.

    But caution has been notably lacking in some of the press treatment of this subject -- especially when it comes to Karl Rove. And it behooves us in the media to examine that behavior, not just sweep it under the rug.

    Sidney Blumenthal, a former aide to President Bill Clinton and now a columnist for several publications, has just published a book titled, "How Bush Rules: Chronicles of a Radical Regime." It is a collection of his columns for Salon, including one originally published on July 14, 2005, titled "Rove's War."

    It was occasioned by the disclosure of a memo from Time magazine's Matt Cooper, saying that Rove had confirmed to him the identity of Valerie Plame. To Blumenthal, that was proof that this "was political payback against Wilson by a White House that wanted to shift the public focus from the Iraq War to Wilson's motives."

    Then Blumenthal went off on a rant: "While the White House stonewalls, Rove has license to run his own damage control operation. His surrogates argue that if Rove did anything, it wasn't a crime. . . . Rove is fighting his war as though it will be settled in a court of Washington pundits. Brandishing his formidable political weapons, he seeks to demonstrate his prowess once again. His corps of agents raises a din in which their voices drown out individual dissidents. His frantic massing of forces dominates the capital by winning the communications battle. Indeed, Rove may succeed momentarily in quelling the storm. But the stillness may be illusory. Before the prosecutor, Rove's arsenal is useless."

    In fact, the prosecutor concluded that there was no crime; hence, no indictment. And we now know that the original "leak," in casual conversations with reporters Novak and Bob Woodward, came not from the conspiracy theorists' target in the White House but from the deputy secretary of state at the time, Richard Armitage, an esteemed member of the Washington establishment and no pal of Rove or President Bush.

    Blumenthal's example is far from unique. Newsweek, in a July 25, 2005, cover story on Rove, after dutifully noting that Rove's lawyer said the prosecutor had told him that Rove was not a target of the investigation, added: "But this isn't just about the Facts, it's about what Rove's foes regard as a higher Truth: That he is a one-man epicenter of a narrative of Evil."

    And in the American Prospect's cover story for August 2005, Joe Conason wrote that Rove "is a powerful bully. Fear of retribution has stifled those who might have revealed his secrets. He has enjoyed the impunity of a malefactor who could always claim, however implausibly, deniability -- until now."

    These and other publications owe Karl Rove an apology. And all of journalism needs to relearn the lesson: Can the conspiracy theories and stick to the facts.

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  2. efusco

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    Considering I never acused Rove of anything I don't feel I owe an apology...though I certainly harboured doubts about him based upon all the "liberal media" as described in the article.

    I also don't believe Rove is exactly angelic. But, in this case, I agree with the article. The press...all the press, not just the 'liberal media'...just get out of hand. The Karr/Jon Benet thing is a perfect example. One minute they're lauding the capture of her killer, the next they're blaming the Boulder police for going too far.

    The moment I saw the first video footage of Karr and his ridiculous claim that he was 'with Jon Benet' when she died I knew he was lying...he evaded every question that would establish motive, opportunity or any significant connection with the Benet family or even with Colorado at the time of her death. It was plain as day.

    But, that said, can you imagine the furor if Karr had not been brought back to the US for DNA testing and further questioning, got kicked out of Thailand and then disappeared...the doubts and conspiracies would have been INSANE led by the media. Boulder Police were in a lose-lose situation here (not that they haven't been screw ups from the beginning of this thing).

    Likewise the Rove thing...the gov't must remain tight lipped, this leaves the media to espouse conspiracy after conspiracy....not in some evil way to hurt anyone in particular, but b/c that's what they do...eventually it takes on a life of its own.

    The competition to be first with new stories, news and breaks has created an environment that is ripe for false stories to emerge and blossom and the press seems singularly unwilling to police themselves...I see no near term solution other than trying to remain an objective and skeptical viewer/reader.
     
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    Ummm, well, if the claim was that Rove was the actual leaker, then I guess the current fallguy makes that appear wrong. If the claim was that Rove orchestrated the leak, then the jury's still out...
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(efusco @ Sep 7 2006, 09:26 AM) [snapback]315665[/snapback]</div>
    You are good indeed.
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(dbermanmd @ Sep 7 2006, 06:10 AM) [snapback]315661[/snapback]</div>
    When I hear about conspiracies, I'm reminded of a math seminar class I took in graduate school at UC Berkeley in the late 60s.

    The Prof. had just returned from a math conference in Moscow. He was a political conservative. He started his discussion about his trip by telling us about Moscow -- people on the street dressed nicely, no sandals, no bearded men, etc. I.e., he didn't see any "Berkeley hippies."

    A bearded, sandaled grad student in the back of the room said, "Evidentally, the International Communist Conspiracy hasn't hit there yet."
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(dbermanmd @ Sep 7 2006, 09:10 AM) [snapback]315661[/snapback]</div>
    :lol: you're so silly. Don't ever change.
     
  7. dragonfly

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    How about an apology from you to Clinton for accusing him of arming North Korea with nukes?
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Dragonfly @ Sep 7 2006, 09:05 AM) [snapback]315747[/snapback]</div>
    LOL this guy has an obession bordering on a fetish for you dbermanmd! Typical of this type I said that "I believe" that (Saddam) harbored some 9/11 terrorist. This guy immediately accuses me for saying that he in fact did harbor 9/11 terrorist. Typical lies and distortions from the loons on the left. [attachmentid=4903]

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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Wildkow @ Sep 7 2006, 11:13 AM) [snapback]315748[/snapback]</div>
    All you guys have to do is admit your mistake and I'll leave you alone. Why is it so hard?
     
  10. dbermanmd

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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(JackDodge @ Sep 7 2006, 12:01 PM) [snapback]315744[/snapback]</div>
    Love to amuse those that are willing :lol:

    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Dragonfly @ Sep 7 2006, 12:05 PM) [snapback]315747[/snapback]</div>
    you aim your stinger in the wrong direction. i did not accuse bj of arming NoKo. He is guilty of signing onto the "Framework" deal in part brokered by peanut brain carter that created the environment in which NoKo became nuclear armed - there is NO denying this. And this all happened under bj's terms in office.

    and he did not get 1/10 the beating in the press Rove got - and bj was always presumed innocent by the drive-by media where the opposite is true with Rove and Bush.

    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Wildkow @ Sep 7 2006, 12:13 PM) [snapback]315748[/snapback]</div>
    I think the left has a real problem when it comes to examining the War on Terror. They will have problems with how it was conducted by clinton for 8 years, on their current leaderships thoughts and lack of concepts, amongst other issues.

    the fact the majority of them believe we should allow iran become a nulcear power or that we cannot stop them speaks volumes.

    when history examines them 50 or 100 years from now - from the Cold War/Vietnam era through the War on Terror - it will not be kind.
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(dbermanmd @ Sep 7 2006, 11:29 AM) [snapback]315754[/snapback]</div>
    No, my stinger is aimed dead on:

    dbermanmd, 8/31/06, in reference to Clinton: "He contained North Korea - damn, that is the best piece of PR I have seen on this BB ever. Jeez - he ARMED them... He gave them the nukes - then he left town as they built more of them."
    http://priuschat.com/index.php?showtopic=2...mp;#entry312190
     
  12. Wildkow

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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Dragonfly @ Sep 7 2006, 09:15 AM) [snapback]315750[/snapback]</div>
    What mistake? :eek: