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Blinking Fuel Guage (All Bars) and “Mi”

Discussion in 'Gen 2 Prius Technical Discussion' started by JayRock_PHX, Jul 31, 2019.

  1. JayRock_PHX

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    Hello Prius forum members.

    I do lurk around here gathering info etc. I’m not new to prius repairs at all. I’ve done many things for myself and others (abs, hybrid batt rebuilds, combo meters, Key fobs reprogramming ...etc) so I’m very knowledgeable in the gen 2 and 3 Prius vehicles. And I do use techstream.

    But this one has be stumped. Now to first state. I HAVE searched here and on the internet. Let me say that’s its NOT the inclination sensor. Nor is it the actual unit/wire plug on the combo meter or reset sensor/calibration. So please do not suggest that as I have already tried. I even swapped in a while other dash to try and eliminate the problem.

    Here’s how it goes.

    Put car into ready mode.
    Approx 15-20secs later the whole fuel guage (all bars) will flash and so will the “mi” which is right next to the odometer reading will flash together.

    I’ve tried all the relevant tricks and fixes above and it’s not going away. I can’t seem to find any answers on the internet besides what’s already stated.

    Please don’t tell me it’s the 12v battery as that’s new and so is the hybrid battery it’s a complete new unit. (Got lucky)

    2007 Prius touring
    180k
    Good shape otherwise. Just replaced the abs. And a wheel bearing. Combo meter was also going out so fixed that and also replaced inverter coolant pump.

    The vehicle drives fine otherwise.

    I would really appreciate some help.

    I hope I didn’t sound to harsh in the beginning of the post. Just trying to not have people waste their time by suggesting those things.

    Thanks!
     
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    nothing from tech stream?
     
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    Did you try a master reset? Remove negative of aux batt for 5 mins. then re-connect and wait 5 mins for the can bus to get updated. Sometimes it can get corrupted, depending on what was worked on etc..
     
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    Techstream is not reporting anything which is another Wth. You would think it would. The master reset has been performed because I changed the combo meter. Had to kill the battery for the airbag unplug to remove the dash.
     
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    i wonder if the service manual has anything
     
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    So are you saying you just replaced the combo meter and this started from the first restart?
     
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    sorry what i meant to say was, i had to change the combo meter because it was faulty (going black) so i had done the master reset that time because i had to unplug the battery. The blinking fiasco has been going on before i changed the combo meter. I changed the combo meter mainly for the blank going dead issue, but also to check the inclination sensor wires (small wires/plug on side of combo meter) and also since i changed the combo meter to eliminate a faulty meter. I also went even a step further and changed the whole dash top (people who have done the combo meter know what i mean) and when i did change the dash top that was Another combo meter as well. So its easy to say its not the combo meter(s)
     
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    When you first have your foot on the brake and press the power button, the car goes "READY". Does the engine start and go through it's warmup routine prior to the blinking starting? Or does the blinking start before the engine ever starts? Apparently the car stays ready during the blinking and drives completely normal, so it shouldn't be a network type issue unless it's only the level info that is lost.

    It certainly sounds like you've eliminated the possibility of it being a dash component.

    Does the fuel level indication show a "real" level prior to starting the blink mode? Perhaps it's a sending unit failure/fuel level calibration issue? Is the tank actually full/empty/somewhere in between?

    What about if you have foot off the brake and press the power button twice? Does it do the same thing?

    I'm going with level sender problem or "you need a new fuel tank" or you just live with it, if everything else is working ok. and you don't want to dump several hundo on a tank replacement.

    If you're feeling frisky, drop the tank and check all the connectors. Maybe something obvious will stand out.

    Oooops, I may be wrong.....just found this, and from a very reliable source...look at post #5

    Fuel gauge blinking without reason! | PriusChat

    Also found that Gas Gauge "all blinking" means no network...but how can that be true if the car is working fine, unless network connection is lost only to sender unit or sender failure? So...back to needing a new fuel tank? who knows..

    Sounds like step one is to document the blink code and find out what it really means.
     
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    i dont know about prius, but i had a 2008 honda civic that the gas gauge sender went open circuit. When open the gauge showed no bars and the E flashed. I agree on a Gas tank issue.
     
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    or maybe Matt would be a good member to speak with....he may have more experience with the various flashing codes than all of us combined.

    Double flash gas gauge on combo meter? | PriusChat

    with yours acting stupid before ever messing with the combo meter then let's hope we get lucky and he's seen it once or twice,,,,,,
     
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    It can be helpful when starting a thread like this to mention whether the Repair Manual (more info) is one of the places you've already searched.

    It is "on the internet" but can involve a small paywall or access through a local library, etc., so sometimes it's missing from people's "internet" searches, but it's usually where the information is.

    I know my Gen 1 copy has a section detailing several different fuel gauge blink patterns and what they mean. I don't have the Gen 2 book open in front of me, but I'd assume it's got similar info.
     
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    it seems like its gonna be some sort of fuel sender issue or something because otherwise car runs fine etc. Regarding the network issues, i would assume techstream would give a code or at the very least something else would not function right.

    im really not interested in changing a tank, but wondering if the sender is changeable? anyone else got any input?

    thanks
     
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    The sender is not changeable on North American cars Due to the fuel cell. Neither is the fuel pump or filter. One part goes and you have to change the whole tank. Stupid.
     
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    one thing i did notice is that when the car is off for some time.... after going into ready, the issue is not present. but when i put it into drive it starts after 2 secs. if that does help
     
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    The blinks are the code. If it's at all like Gen 1, you should find several blink patterns listed in the Repair Manual. Find the one that matches yours, and you'll know what's what.

    Edit: hmm, maybe it's not like Gen 1 ... or the manual isn't. I had occasion to open up a Gen 2 manual, and it doesn't have a section explaining fuel gauge segment blinks, the way the Gen 1 book does.

    I guess it remains a mystery....
     
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    What really pisses me off is there was one video by LuciousGarage on ebay, and like many of their videos, they just leave people guessing. Now it could be the same inclination wires/reset but still they should have posted what the deal was.... blah.... anyways... update..

    Put gas in about $10 and it does register the fuel (it went up like 1-2bars since it was already above half) but i put in gas mainly to see what it would do. At first i thought success it went away but sadly after a block it came back. I did the Inclination Reset again just to be sure and same deal.

    One thing i did notice is, for those familiar with the combo meter/ dash removal. There are 2 white connectors ( large ones) which connect the combo meter and the other dash lights/sensors etc to the rest of the car. its right above the steering wheel. Anyways. If i unplug this with the car running, the combo meter will obviously shut off along with the all the lights etc. When reconnecting the gas guage is pretty much in the state of when you are running out of gas and on your last bar (last bar blinking state) the "mi" is not blinking. But after connecting, it will stay solid to what the tank has of gas. And again, when you shift to drive, it starts to blink after 30secs or whatver.

    I did get a code with my obd2 scanner (just changed inverter coolant pump) so needed to reset the triangle lights etc. and noticed i had a code pending of p2420 now im a little familiar with this code as i seen it on a different car. But what im wondering for those who might have more experience with this code, Will this cause directly, or indirectly the issue iam having? Its an emissions related code but emissions componants do have certain connections and related functions with the gas tank/fumes etc.

    the code p2420.
    Evaporative Emission Pressure Switch Valve Stuck OFF

    i do realize it could be the gas cap not right, but i will double check because i filled gas like i said, and hopefully the code doesnt return, but my question is if it would relate to my situation.
     
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    I saw on another thread, a guy was having codes

    P0455 and P0441 codes: "Evaporative Emission Control System Incorrect Purge Flow" and "Evaporative Emission Control System Leak Detected (Gross Leak)"

    He stated he was able to reach the fuel sending unit under the rear seat and take these pics. Anyone know if this is true? Sorry i dont quite remember the ridiculous many times i removed the seat for a hv battery change or to clean some crap under there but i dont remember seeing this. if anyone could confirm and maybe i could go check the connections etc just to be sure its not hammered in some way.

    From a friend that gave some advice, he told me to not pursue dropping the tank etc. Its not worth the hassle and just to live with the flashing nonsense especially since the guage seems to be working etc. So i rather check these connections and crap first if possible under the seat.

    thanks
     
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    Yes, Gen 3 has an access cover beneath the rear seat for access to the replaceable fuel pump and sender.

    It's a sheet metal panel held down by some kind of adhesive sealant.
     
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    OK, But we are talking about gen 2
     
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    Sorry. I was looking at the 2010 in your profile, not the forum heading.

    I think the panel might exist in Gen 2 also. Wasn't in Gen 1 though, IIRC.
     
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