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Back Yard Brake Pad Replacement for 2015 Gen III Prius

Discussion in 'Gen 3 Prius Care, Maintenance & Troubleshooting' started by Michael Wood, Aug 5, 2019.

  1. Michael Wood

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    So there I was, at my trusty neighborhood mechanic getting an inspection sticker on my other vehicle. And since my Prius III (which has been a flawless vehicle BTW) now has 115k miles I thought I'd ask the mechanic if they can do the brakes on my Prius. The mechanic shrugged and said, "Sure.....they're just brakes". That didn't exactly peak my confidence, but it also indicated that this mechanic (who is not a Prius specialist) didn't feel that Prius brakes were special or unique. Now.....I realize that the Prius is a unique car with some unique feature, like the regenerative braking.

    Here's the question (actually I have 2 questions). If I can change the brake pads on a Corolla or an Elantra, should I attempt to a pad replacement on my Prius? Or am I likely to get into trouble?

    And, would it be ok to use semi-metallic, or metallic pads? I prefer those to ceramics because the softer pads conform to the rotors better. I usually forgo shaving or replacing my rotors if I'm not experiencing any braking problems. I slap on a new set of semi-metallic pads on each wheel before any problems arise and I'm good for another few years.....for $20, give or take. I've been doing this for years, and I can't remember the last time I gave somebody $300-$700 for a brake job or had a braking problem.
     
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    Before starting, disconnect the 12 volt battery negative cable. Leave it off till everything is completely reassembled. The car can "pressurize" the hydraulic system, when off, in particular if you open the driver's door. You don't want that to happen when the brakes are open.

    Also, before reconnecting the 12 volt: tromp the brake pedal multiple times, pressure up the pedal. Not doing that, the car might detect excess brake pedal travel, throw a code.

    With the rear brakes, you must get the caliper piston orientation correct. There's an X pattern on the face of the piston, and it should be oriented thus, like an X, so that a stubby pin on back of brake pad sits between the spokes of the pattern.

    Then you want to make sure it's well seated thus (previously mentioned multiple presses of brake pedal when done). Don't use the parking brake directly after either: test drive the car first, being gentle on the brakes. After that, apply/release the parking brake several times, raise the rear, and verify the wheels spin semi-freely. The should be able to free-spin a couple of revolutions with a good push.

    I would recommend the Toyota brake pads.

    I use Sil-Glyde Brake Lubricant for the caliper pins (and a bit on the boots), and Permatex Anti-Seize on the pad backs and shims, and points of contact with the caliper.

    Repair Manual info in attached:
     

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    Thanks for your reply to my post. EXCELLENT info! That's a huge help. When I was looking on Amazon and Ebay for pads, I got confused by the options - so I think I'll take your advice and go with Toyota OEM pads. And I'll start with the front, and if I survive that, I'll try the rear.


     
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    That's a good approach.

    Oh: when pushing in the front pistons: they're some high-tech plastic, so be sure to use full/uniform bearing on them. If using something like a C-clamp, put the old pad, a plate or some plywood, something big enough to cover the entire piston rim.
     
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    Thanks! Yes, I do use a C-clamp to push the piston in. So I'll be sure to cover the piston with a pad to apply even pressure.


     
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    do the pads even need replacing?
     
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    Don't bother us with tirival details. :ROFLMAO:

    One thing, Toyota does say to go through a full brake inspection, tri-yearly or 30K miles, regardless of remaining pad depth. That's a good interval, which most owners (and dealerships?) seem to ignore??
     
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    I'll need to inspect them. It's a highway commuter and we drive it gently. I've been assuming that the best case scenario is about 140,000 so I thought I'd get a jump on it. Maybe I should default to the old adage, "If it ain't broke, don't fix it". I've been guilty of over-maintaining my vehicles.





     
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    With the wheel on you can more-or-less see the pad thickness. With the wheel off much better: the outside pad directly, and the inside pad by looking through the opening on the caliper "shoulder", you get an edge-on view of both of them.

    Then you know in advance if you need to get in pads. But yeah, tri-yearly or 30K miles is a good interval, regardless of their thickness.
     
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    Thanks.....I'll check them out as soon as I get home!
     
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    Flipping the caliper up (one slide pin unbolted, other one loosened) lets you easily slip both pads out and get a full view of their condition, and the condition of both sides of the rotor. (The inboard rotor surfaces have an odd knack for rusting in a concentric-rings pattern.) In pretty much the same motion you can wiggle both slide pins in and out some and decide whether they feel still greasy or dried out, and spot any damage to the rubber boots.

    Mine pretty much always feel still greasy after a couple in-n-outs to get 'em moving again, and I do nothing more to them.

    If the springy clips that the pad ears slide in still have their factory dry teflon-like coating and the pads easily slide, you just put the pieces back together, pivot the caliper back down, secure the pin bolts, and you've done your brake inspection. And if you measured the pad thickness while they were out, and plot your last few measurements against miles driven, you'll have a pretty good idea when you'll hit the 1 mm minimum.

    It might not be for a while.

    The regular inspections are really what keep everything in good order, so you don't end up with parts worn out prematurely.
     
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    For years with Honda that's all I ever did. Well actually just removed the bottom bolt, didn't loosen the top bolt. The Honda Shop Manual instruction pictures showed pad inspection/replacement thus: just swing it up. Then I started twigging to removing both top and bottom bolt, relubing the pins. Maybe overkill, I don't know. One thing, even though I didn't loosen the top bolt, it seemed to rotate up just fine: it's hinging on the caliper pin, which is free to rotate?
     
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    I believe you need a certain tool to work the rear pistons back into the calipers if you're replacing the pads.

    From page 33 of that attached pdf:
    The manual covers piston removal, which should not be necessary, but notes using the mysterious SST to work them back clockwise. They have that X pattern on them, so you can file a mating surface into an old 1 inch socket if you want. I believe you have to turn, but I'm NOT sure. You definitely have to push, though, and not just turn.
     
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    Google "Lisle 28600". It's a small cube-shaped attachment for your socket wrench extension. And yes, you push and turn that wrench by hand.
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    If you have an AutoZone in your area, part number 27111 is a comprehensive loan-a-tool that will do just about all vehicles. And if when rented, you like it, it’s yours to keep.
     
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    Also called a dice;).

    It comes in handy from time to time(y).
     
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    You only need the tool after actually having to change the pads.

    Most inspections will go: flip ... "yup, still just fine" ... unflip ... done.
     
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    Harbor Fright has their version, too. Item 68972.
     
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    Just google brake tool, it should show up. Add "cube" narrows it down.

    You can rotate it just with needle nose pliers tips, but it's awkward and difficult, especially to screw it all the way in.
     
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    These pics are without removing the wheel - snuck the camera through the rim. I think the first 2 pics are my front left wheel, and the last pic might be the right rear. I can take the wheel off this weekend and get a better look.

    This is after 115K of problem free driving. Still no braking problems.
     

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