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Code P0A80 + P3013 All Battery Cells reading good! Any thoughts?

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  1. Prodigyplace

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    The dealer option would likely require the minimum time expended, depending a lot on the specific dealer.
    It might be wise to call Hybrid Automotive if you are planning use between a Camry and a Prius to be sure it is possible. I think the charger, at least has model variants.
     
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    Yes, you need to be able to watch individual modules discharge side by side so you can find weak modules that discharge faster than others. Every module will discharge differently prior to reconditioning... You possibly would of notice your current problem in block #9 before you put the pack back in the car if you had watched individual modules discharge. And while the Prolong system can't do that, it's helpful for doing a full charge and balance after a pack is repaired and reinstalled. I have far fewer problems when it's possible to charge and balance a pack with Prolong after a rebuild. There's also load testing, monitoring temps to find hot cells, balloons on vents so an off gassing module can be detected, etc..
     
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    Heck I just paid $1500 for a set of tires for my 2500 Ram diesel (we pull a 5th wheel - The hybrid Camry is my carbon credit off-set to the diesel ;). Put that in perspective and a brand new battery pack would cost me just a tad more than a new set of 10-ply Michelin tires!
     
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    Thank you, again, for the detailed reply. I get it.. there is no easy route or magic bullet (other than a new pack). Prolong somewhat makes a claim on their site saying their system can revive bad packs, and seem to make the claim they can do it without diagnosing individual cells. I guess maybe they can sometimes improve a pack enough to get a little more life of it, then start over again.
     
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    Prolong is focused on Reconditioning nickel-based battery packs, not rebuilding them... It looked like NiMH packs were going the way of the dinosaur, but Tesla's China factory just announced they're going to use nickel again and build NCL packs. So maybe Prolong reconditioning does have a future? Here's the basic concept further explained: BU-807: How to Restore Nickel-based Batteries – Battery University
     
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    Are those packs for the export market too, considering it won't be wise to send a core from a outside of the USA?
     
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    In my experience it is true... Toyota is allowing the stealerships to sell replacement packs at super low prices to compete with all the after-market business that could undercut their sky high prices... Most stealerships are too dumb to figure it out, but the ones who do figure it out watch their sales numbers rapidly rise in parts department.
     
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    Are they outside the US? There is a US state named Georgia.
     
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    Yes I am. I had just looked it up using the Toyota website I posted at the dealer I usually go to. Roseville Toyota.

    Edit: I just checked again and it’s 2900.20. The only thing I can think of is it somehow brought up the price for my Prius somewok. Tracy Toyota is asking 2677.10 for the same battery
     
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    3013 error indicates that there's a problem with block 3 (301x indicates which "block"), so therefore the computer id telling you that either module 5 or 6 (which makes up block 3) is faulty, and based upon the information here, looks like its a capacity issue and not a voltage issue. One of those modules is too weak to maintain a charge for a certain amount of time. You would need to test the "load", using a light bulb (I use 50w 12VDC halogen lamps) and see which one drains quickly, else buy an RC battery conditioner that can cycle-charge/discharge the module to determine its actual capacity. Or you can simply "shot-gun" the two modules, by buying replacements and putting them in. There are some issues around internal resistance and matching that should be considered, but its likely one of them, probably module 6.
     
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    Problem is even if he buys replacement modules, you still need to balance the pack entirely, by discharge/charging.
     
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    The recommendation for that is a Prolong system.
     
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    Well folks... The camry has been sitting for 6-months without being started. I have some time this week and plan to remove the battery pack again and attempt to recondition it. I have plenty of time and in no hurry. I can afford the Pro-Long system, and frankly can afford a good reconditioned or even a brand new battery. But I want to play... and learn.

    I assume since the battery has been sitting now for 6-months, it will be much easier to locate bad cells? And if I do need to move the car in order to remove the battery pack, I can just pull the safety plug and the battery won't receive any charge while reposition the car?

    I will prob order the Hobby charger that Prius Camper recommended to me a few post back here on this thread. Has there been any new revelations in Hobby chargers?

    Thanks everyone. I have enjoyed all the feedback over the last year or so. And I will certainly keep everyone updated as I complete this project (again). I might even make a video and show it here as I move along, if anyone would be interested in watching.
     
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    You might be able to put the car in neutral and push it if you have a 12v connected and the traction battery removed but I'm not sure. As far as starting the car and moving it, the traction battery starts the car not the 12v. So having it in a place where you wont need to move it would be a good idea. After 6 months and a battery problem there might not be enough left in the traction battery to even start the car.
     
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    If it is like the Prius, I am pretty sure the traction battery is needed to release the parking pawl.
     
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    You shouldn't need the Hybrid/traction battery to release the parking pawl. I just had the 12 volt battery hooked up and I could release it into neutral. I will add that My Hybrid battery isn't strong enough to start the vehicle
     
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    Yeah I didn't think about needing the traction battery to start the car. I think I can get the battery out of the car without moving it. It's gonna take me a few days now to tool up. I went out today to a hobby shop and they did not carry a suitable charger, so I'll have to order one now. And with mail running the way it is (slow), not sure when I will get it.
     
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    Mail is hit or miss. I ordered a part from Rock auto on Saturday and it was delivered today. Took 12 days to get a part for my BMW from Pelican parts.