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Nominal Discharge Current of HV Batt in Park & Off

Discussion in 'Gen 2 Prius Technical Discussion' started by Chan Ho Nam, Oct 19, 2019.

  1. Chan Ho Nam

    Chan Ho Nam Junior Member

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    Hi

    Longtime lurker, but I got a question that I'm hoping for a quick answer to regarding idle consumption of the HV supply.

    Car in Ready & Park, everything off (e.g., AC which runs off of HV, lights are off, and aux 12V battery in good condition so even if it were charging it's gotta be but a trickle)

    My torque app says I'm discharging 1.8A off the HV supply. That seems a little high to me--that's almost 0.5kW. (If I run AC at the lowest settings that costs me about maybe 0.7kW?)

    I get that the Prius needs to operate some pumps and other accessories as part of the synergy drive system but that's still alot to account for!

    I'm wondering if anyone else has comparative numbers for HV Current discharge @ idle.

    If it is a little high, what's the most likely culprit?

    Thx.

    B Rgds
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  2. jerrymildred

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    Welcome, Chan.
    Good idea on looking at Torque or some such app for the current draw if you're curious.

    Ready and park. Among other things, it's running the coolant pump & 12v trickle charge you mentioned, plus several ECU computers, the battery cooling fan at probably its lowest speed, dashboad lights, a boatload of sensors that may or may not draw current, and probably other stuff I can't think of right now.

    Off. There is zero load on the HV battery as the main safety relay disconnects it from the car.
     
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  3. Chan Ho Nam

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    Yes I appreciate that everything you said and detailed is true and correct--but may I ask you what your baseline current draw is?

    All those things are on the order of 10's of W, maybe the highest is the inverter pump.
     
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    Perhaps someone with nothing else to do will come along a see if their's is the same as yours. I'm just not curious enough about it to warrant a special investigation and have a very busy life, especially right now. If I happen to connect to the car for some significant reason, I'll look at that. I remember looking at it before with the PiP I had and seem to remember a current draw similar to what you see in the Prime.

    On the other had, there are lots of people who really love to do this stuff and, hopefully, one will have your info before long.
     
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    Without making a special trip to look at it right now, what you're seeing seems about in line with what I've seen in my Gen 3.
     
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    Hi Chan

    I have been recording data on my Prius for a few months and was also very fascinated by the Prius electronic parameters. I also Idle at 1 or 2 amps. Here is a recent example dataset I collected with a BAFX dongle and Torque in which I idle for about 30 seconds at 0mph at the beginning of the run, pulling about 1.7 amps. (Note this is was testing EV mode, I was toodling around the block, so there is no ICE activity) Link: Priscope (also note the page is a bit slow to load) Now, my batteries were at about 16.5 volts at this time, so my total volts was about 231volts, so 231 x 1.7 is about 390 watts - assuming that the OBDII data is measuring what I think it is measuring. Here's another dataset, a chilly morning where at 0mph I was pulling about 3-4 amps, probably with my cabin heater on and possibly my headlights ( link: Priscope ). I also posted a few picture files on this post, you can click to see them zoomed in but the pics don't allow as much info as the webpage chart.

    newplot.png newplot(1).png

    I was comparing it in my mind to back when I used to build desktop personal computers from components like motherboard, hard drive, and power supply. It was normal for a PC to pull a few hundred watts and require a matching power supply. I was wondering how things are nowdays so I found this calculator:

    Power Supply Calculator – PSU Wattage Calculator | Newegg

    It is interesting, a pretty average desktop PC configuration will still, even these days, pull about 300 watts.

    So I figure my Prius is running several computers, and although I have no direct measurement evidence, I still figured it sounded reasonable to pull a few hundred watts of power at idle. In fact I just found this old PriusChat thread where people discuss how many computers the Prius has:

    Prius Computers (ECU's) | PriusChat

    (HV ECU High Voltage ECU, ECM Engine Module, Transmission ECU, Skid Control ECU, ECB ECU, EPS ECU, Battery ECU, Power Source Control ECU, Air Conditioning ECU, Meter ECU, Body ECU, Transponder ECU, Smart ECU, Navigation ECU, Gateway ECU)

    Then on top of that there is the Vacuum Fluorescent Display in the combination meter (the speedometer), and fluorescent backlight and LCD in the Multi Function Display. Both of these displays require quite a bit of power.

    And the things that others mentioned - brake pressure, 12v charging, etc. Not to mention alot of this is going through a DC-DC converter to drop the 200+volts down to about 12volts, which has efficiency losses which I assume will be expressed as increased temperature in the Inverter coolant fluid. ( Weber Auto has some great youtube videos showing the converter / inverter situation )

    However. I am not sure how to measure exactly which components are using how much energy! That is a very interesting question.
     
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