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P08A0 - Need Help!

Discussion in 'Gen 3 Prius Care, Maintenance & Troubleshooting' started by darkgiant, Nov 4, 2019.

  1. TMR-JWAP

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    I didn't purchase the Dr. Prius app due to it being limited on the number of vehicles I could use it on. This was something I questioned the app developer about when I was interested in purchasing it. I can use the Hybrid Assistant/Reporter apps on any Prius I work on to show the owner information about their car. I currently have 4 Gen 2s in the family, that pretty much uses up Dr Prius if I had it.
     
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    So an update after I took the car in for the recall repair (I think it's called SSC J0V/J0V00D, Hybrid System Update), the local $tealership came up with a bevy of lists they think the car needs repair on (I should preface that I very recently purchased this car and it had a decent amount of miles, but the previous owner replaced the engine and fluids at a reputable shop in the area and had all the paperwork which was done very recently).

    They listed the following for the car:
    • Brake Fluid Flush (asking for a whopping $350, it seemed fine to me, but I can always DIY this as I have in the past...)
    • Minor Transmission Service AKA Transmission Fluid Flush (they claim the transmission fluid is "dirty", how do they even inspect that?! all for a whopping $279)
    • Clean Throttle Body & MAF - This was literally one of the first things I checked after buying the car, it was nearly pristine clean, I even checked afterward... all this for a whopping $248)
    I am astonished how the $tealership quoted all that, especially the transmission fluid, maybe the fluid needs actual changing, I do not know, but how can they determine it's dirty and needs to be "changed"?

    Anyways, I bring all this up because as I got home, I checked the car and the P08A0 "Permanent Sign" was still there (kind of assumed maybe it gets erased with the recall update?), however no red triangle or check engine sign. I am almost ~500 miles in now driving as I reguarly do, getting decent MPGs.

    However, a new Permanent DTC appeared right after the recall repair, it is "U0100". No idea what this code even means from my short time researching. Is this something I should call the $tealership about and see what happened? Or can this actually be somehow related to P08A0? I do want to preface this once again as there has been no Red Triangle or Check Hybrid Sign/Check Engine light, this is only appearing when I run a scan through Techstream which shows Permanent DTCs which cannot be erased easily.
     
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    Update! After driving my regular commute, the "U0100" error code/DTC went away. No idea why it even came up for a brief period of time, but this "permanent DTC" is gone, so I'll take this as a good thing. However, P08A0 "permanent DTC" is still there. No red triangle, check hybrid sign or check engine however. I am going to a different hybrid battery shop that seems to be reputable and hoping if maybe they can provide more clarity on the situation.

    On an unrelated note, the dealerships comment on the transmission fluid needing to be replaced because it is "dirty" really intrigued me on if I really need to do a flush/replace? I know there is no dipstick for the Prius transmission, so how would one go about actually inspecting the fluid if it truly does not be replaced?
     
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    Take off fill bolt, extract a small sample of atf and put fill bolt back in. Examine the sample to see if it pass the eyeball test, or send to independent oil lab analysis.
     
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    Also the Prius transaxle does not need a flush. The dealer is trying to sell extra services.
     
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    Updates!

    The P08A0 code is finally GONE! Woohoo! :cool: It looks like changing those couple of cells, cleaning the fan and buss bars did the trick. The battery is definitely reporting healthy levels of charging and giving me fantastic MPGs. It looks like the magic number seems to be 600 miles when the permanent DTC goes away (that is where I am sitting at now since rebuilding the battery pack).

    I also hope if anyone who comes across this post, don't fall for the sales pitch around these forums of people pushing you to buy battery packs from there site, please do your due diligence and with a bit of patience you can figure out how to best resolve the issue.

    I don't want to start another thread here, so a question on brake fluid as I was debating whether or not to replace the brake fluid, it seems to be a bit clearish, should I still go ahead and replace it, or does the fluid look "clear enough" to consider waiting a year or so? Attached pictures for reference. Brakes work just fine, I just wasn't sure if I should perform a flush.

    Brake Fluid (Taken without flash)
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    Brake Fluid (Taken with flash) IMG_0007.jpg

    Brake Fluid Reservoir (car was running so slightly below max line for that reason): IMG_0006.jpg
     
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    I believe brake fluid tends to absorb water. @Mendel Leisk is our maintenance guru.
     
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    It’s hydroscopic;).

    So it likes moisture :(.

    But at least the battery is sorted for now:).

    You’ll get familiar with the process (y).
     
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    Sorry for my ignorance, the reason why I attached pictures was because I know in some vehicles brake fluid gets "darker" which means there is a lot of water/moisture in the fluid and should be replaced... I never have seen the original color of brake fluid in a Prius... would looking at the pictures above determine whether I should flush it? Or is there an idea if I can "get by" with holding a brake flush for a year (just trying to imagine the time it can take me to DIY for the first time) and rather plan it out in advance.
     
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    (y)(y)(y)(y)(y)(y)
     
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    Toyota Canada didn't mention brake fluid in our 2010 "Owner's Manual Supplement", a booklet comparable to the Toyota USA "Warranty and Maintenance Booklet". However, I noticed in the 2014 version, same Toyota Canada publication, they came around: say to change brake fluid every 48K kms (roughly 30K miles) or 3 years (whichever comes first).

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    As far back as I can remember with previous Honda's we've had, Honda Canada has always said every 3 years, regardless of mileage.

    Yeah watch @NutzAboutBolts video on this (link in thread pinned in 3rd gen maintenance forum), and I've attached the Repair Manual instruction. The latter suggests a different order (start with front/right corner, then proceed counter clockwise), so I went with that. The @NutzAboutBolts is a big help, showing step-by-step how to get into invalid mode (don't neglect to have parking brake on, it's mandatory).

    It also shows with split screen the technique with the front brakes. You really just blip the bleed screws open and shut for a split second with those, while assistant pumps then pushes the brake pedal.

    I use two pints of Toyota DOT3 (a couple of times now), which works out about right. The only suction I had was a bigish hypodermic with tube and spigot on the end, for basting out most of the reservoir at the begining. For the bleeding I had clear tubing with a kosher bleed screw attachement, and just ran into an econo size mayo jar with lid (hole drilled in the lid).

    If you're just about done the first pint by the time you're done the two fronts (and the basting/refill of the reservoir), moving onto the rears, you're just about right. Then do about 7 oz on each of the rears, topping up the reservoir periodically. You should aim to be done, with the level as it was at the beginning, and a couple of ounces left, just in case you need to finetune the level in a day or two.

    FWIW, in the couple of times I've done this, I haven't needed that top up, lol.
     
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    Glad you got your battery issues cleared up.
    Since the DOT3 brake fluid has not changed, I would do it every 2 years.
    That is what it had been for decades. So what changed???? Don't know.
    But when it starts changing color, that's the BEST time to do it.

    If you wait too long, the moisture will get down to the calipers and start causing damage.
    That's when the calipers stick, and get pitted.
    But if you do it before that, you shouldn't have a problem.

    I know it's different for the Prius, but the standard was the furthest wheel first, right rear.
    Then left rear, right front, then left front.

    Once you did the right rear, which took the longest, the left rear would only take a few pumps
    to clear out because there was only one tube to the rear that would split close to the axel.

    I would follow Toyota method, but I don't see why if you did any wheel first, and they all get cleared,
    that it would make a difference. The main thing is that the fluid gets changed.



     
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    Glad you didn’t make another thread, there’s plenty of people who posted their own experience about this. If searching is not an option then
     
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    Thank you for the breakdown @Mendel Leisk I will assume from your post that the color of the brake fluid is probably not the best indicator when there is no history on the brake fluid correct? Would you say based on the pictures it could possibly be something that can be held off for a few months or something to get done ASAP?

    @Grit I've been on these forums for a few years now and I personally do my best to not start new threads, but I don't find it efficient on you constantly calling this out or deterring folks to go search on the forums. I apologize if it may come off as annoying to you. I am just a DIYer and not a pro, so questions at times can come sporadically. I try my best to contribute back my knowledge and learnings so folks don't have to scour through resources or ask the same questions I once did.
     
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    I never look at the fluid, just slam in new tri-yearly. The drained fluid does look noticeably darker, though not alarmingly. I would think the reservoir fluid is on it's "best behaviour" while, the stuff down by the caliper is worse?
     
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    Ah gotcha okay. Yeah, I am just asking if the pictures are helpful because it is supposed to get really cold in the PNW the next few weeks and I don't have access to a garage to do this kind of work. Based on what I have seen about the color in the reservoir turning black being a prime indicator it is "time to replace", I might just hold off a month or two (at least when it is either not raining and/or just freezing cold outside) due to the lack of history on the black fluid in general. I appreciate the information!
     
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    Yeah supposed to get cold here too. In your shoes I'd procrastinate to next spring; that fluid looked fine.
     
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