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Beep sound for B Mode?

Discussion in 'Gen 3 Prius Technical Discussion' started by PriusOnTheFence, Nov 21, 2019.

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  1. bisco

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    are you good at electrical schematics? i'm thinking the wire that goes from the shifter to the ecu for b mode could be tapped and a beeper hooked in.
     
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    Nope, not at all and I don't have access to anyone who is. My thought in posting was that if there was a way to adjust the settings in the software, just as we do for the reverse beeper, I could inform the technician at the dealer's and he could try it.
     
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    if your going to the dealer, the tech will already know, or can look it up on tech stream
     
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    It's a small town, the tech is old, not very hi-tech, and not interested at all. Too busy to look. Said he would do it if I found it could be done.
     
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    There is no such wire. See pages 12 and 13 of the diagram kindly shared by @Georgina Rudkus in another thread, which show the Hall-effect sensors used to detect the shift and select positions of the lever. The selected shift position is maintained in the power management control ECU.

    An alternative would be to reverse engineer the combination meter assembly, which has the shift position indicator, or its CAN bus communication with the power management control ECU.
    The Repair Manual (more info) lists the parameters that can be customized, and unlike the setting for the reverse buzzer, that isn’t one of them.
     
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    Thanks, this is actually helpful. As I have no tech knowledge, is the above something a regular tech guy could do? I doubt the dealer would though, since it's not set by the paremeters.
     
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    I wouldn’t expect a Toyota dealer, or indeed any automotive repair shop, to have the capability to design such a modification, or much interest in doing so. This would be a task for an electronics engineer, or at least a motivated hobbyist with similar skills.
     
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    Yeah I mean no disrespect, but you're probably the first person on the planet to be seeking this mod.
     
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    No ordinary dealer or auto shop would touch this. It is beyond their skill and equipment level, and likely has negligible financial return.

    The operation of and detection through the Hall-effect sensors is handled internally by a mixture of digital and analog circuits built into the Power Management ECU. Whether or not a special-purpose piggy-back circuit could tap in on those lines and figure the required information, without interfering with the ECU's own operation, is unknown here. Merely 'snooping' would be best, but may not produce sufficient information. Actively driving the sense lines while the ECU has them at idle might be required, but the risk of interference is high. There might not even be any idle time for snoopers to use.

    The details are almost certainly locked up as Toyota proprietary design information. Hobbyists skilled with this type of sensor might be able to figure out how to do it. But finding any of them, with enough interest to look at this, will be an exercise for the reader. I'd expect them to be busy with higher value projects, and hanging out in some other forum.
     
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    Elektroingenieur, thanks for your other response too. Just one last question: when you say it's not one of the parameters that can be changed, did you look into it, or are you going from memory? Because the link is to a generic help page. Thanks again!
     
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    I looked in Toyota document RM1290U, the Repair Manual for 2010 Prius cars sold in the U.S., in the topic General: Introduction: Repair Instruction: Customize Parameters.
     
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    You are awesome, thanks!
     
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    They call us pioneers :whistle: :LOL:
     
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    74 posts and no answers :(
     
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    I think there is no simple way to do this, using the standard settings in the software, as with the buzzer in R. It sounds like Elektroingenieur knows what he is talking about.

    If it's possible, it probably needs a tech specialist and this is not the forum for that. It's ok, I can live without it! I was just hoping it was just a setting change, not prepared to go to great lengths for this.

    But I like downshifting, as I grew up driving manual, and automatic always felt very passive and lame. The way I drive is obviously not utilizing regenerative breaking enough to allow the brakes their full life, so I thought this might help on the margin, if anything by making me more conscious of the whole braking process. I just have to get serious about it and just remember to upshift when I accelerate! I mean, the car reminds me soon enough, as it's not accelerating as it should...

    Btw, where do you find the codes for the different emoticons? I've only been able to discover a couple so far....
     
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    when i click on the one in the header, a bunch come up at the bottom to choose from.

    where people get the ones beyond those, is above my pay grade :cool:
     
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    Finding a way to reprogram the brain of car will most likely be the answer. It will be like extending the EV mode before ICE kicks in. Don't hold your breathe.
     
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    Go to Japan. Find the software team for Toyota. Ask them to reprogram the ECU so you the
    "B" on the shift knob means "BEEP"! :ROFLMAO::LOL::p:sneaky:(y):whistle:
     
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    Better yet: sell the Prius and get a gasser with a manual transmission, then you'll be a happy camper again....o_O
     
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    No, because there will still be no BEEP for B! :)


     
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