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Blown up Battery Cell

Discussion in 'Gen 2 Prius Technical Discussion' started by chryguy, Nov 28, 2019.

  1. chryguy

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    Howdy all,

    Bought a 2005 Prius.
    Dead in the water, traction battery showing very low power.
    Wouldn't start with a jump.

    When I pulled traction battery out and pulled the cover, It was obvious someone had been there before me. There were sharpie marks all over the cells.
    But what really caught my eye was the cell with the top blown off. Top cracked into 3 parts, was able to just pick up the pieces.
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    Upon disassembly, that module had a hole arced thru the side. Actually left casing material on the adjacent cell.
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    Has anybody seen this before?

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    I guess you'll get no answers ;).
     
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    Yes, It's not common but it happens. Check the two modules next to the topless one. Sometimes they get cracked from the force of the pop.

    This module popped up close and personal.
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    The result was a cheap lesson.
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    Some posters who get a high volt ground fault nag and then clear the codes by unhooking the 12 volt battery and then continue to drive on that bad battery report loud bangs in that battery box while driving. This is the loud bang.

    So that battery may already have cracked cells and corrosion that will conduct high voltage to ground.
     
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    I did check the adjoining batteries. I replaced the battery on the side that arced.
    I have replaced the damaged battery, along with its neighbor. I charged/discharged/charged all the batteries.
    I'm going to put it back together and give it a try.
    This being my first try at this, any advice or things to test/look for?
    Thanks
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    With that fully shorted cell, could that have blown the fuse in the high voltage safety fuse (battery disconnect)?
    Is it obvious if that 125 amp is toast?
    Thanks

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    It is a really good idea to charge the whole pack once its all back together and that will balance the whole pack. Takes about 2 days and requires a 200 volt dc charger like Prolong that lots of us use. The prolong charger has a clamped output at 350 milliamps so as not to heat up the pack but it does take hours and hours at the low charge level. But really helps. battery loves that.

    The thing that gets everyone is that damn safety plug. Everyone forgets the last step. You push the plug in then flip up the lever than and here's the last step push the lever you just flipped up now push it straight down till it clicks. Now its locked.

    I would check the innards of the battery ecu pcb its in the metal can on the end thats on its side. Take that ECU out and give it a real close look and see if there's any corrosion in the bottom of the plugs or on the male plug pins. Look closely. Then check the circuit board itself for any corrosion around the plug area. many many reports of corroded ecu plugs and board.

    Clean the circuit board with acetone and a wooden q tip if there;'s any smutz on it. would apply some synthetic grease to the plugs to prohibit corrosion.
     
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    Not knowing how to test a fuse suggests that you do not have the skills needed to safely work on high voltage batteries.
     
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    Hi Ed,
    Thanks so much for your info and advice. Much appreciated.
    Funny I was just thinking I needed a charger for the entire pack, so I can equalize the all the cells.
    Also thinking I need more battery chargers.

    You are correct, I forgot that last step, but eventually figured it out.

    This thing is throwing some engine codes so I'll have to figure those out now, but at least it moves.

    I looked around but didn't see any exact specs about charging and discharging limits.
    Also what should a healthy battery test at? I've been seeing 8.2 volts in healthy packs.
     
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    When the hybrid battery is failing and it takes along time to fail but gradually decreases in power output over the years so slowly you don't miss it you just push on the gas pedal harder to make up for it that gradual decrease in the battery auxiliary power. The whole power contribution falls to the motor only.
    That's really tough on the engine. Till in its last stage of battery failure you have to almost have to floor it get anywhere. So the engine has been struggling in a solo fight for a long time so it tends to get tired and unhappy along with the hybrid battery. Without good battery power the car is a very under powered little go kart.

    Engine requires hyper vigilance on the fluids during battery failure and the beating its going to take. Make sure oil is clean and high quality and keep it at the full line. If lots of miles on the plugs that will show up as poor engine performance till they get real bad and start throwing missfires.
     
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    Bringing this back from the dead...


    So, after quite a while of charging and discharging the numerous cells I had here, I had a pool of likely candidates for a traction battery.
    After assembling them together I realized I had some weak cells despite them metering out as ok.

    I made a load tester with a couple large resistors, and switches so I could vary the load. That helped me to find my weaklings and replace them.
    I also spent the dough for a pack charger so I could equalize the pack.

    I now have what I believe is a strong Hybrid battery.
    I also went out and bought a new AGM 12 volt battery.

    Problem I have now...
    I still have the Red Triangle of Death, and a check engine light on.
    My Carista scanner does not/will not show me any codes even tho the CE light is on.
    Is there a master reset for the computer, or a procedure that will erase this memory?
    I am currently in the process of obtaining of obtaining a Techstream lite set-up. I'm hoping that will help.

    I have been playing with this thing off and on all summer, and I could write a novel on what has been done and the car's reaction to those procedures.
    At one point it was producing codes and I could erase them, but not any longer.

    Maybe it is just becoming as tired of me as I am of it... :)

    Thanks in advance,
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    You can disconnect the 12v battery negative for a few seconds and it'll delete most codes. But to really fix your car, you'll need a proper scanner that can read Prius codes.
     
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    Thanks for the reply,

    Unfortunately, even disconnecting both batteries does not eliminate the red triangle of death, or the check engine light.

    I find it most curious that the check engine light is on but I can read no codes...

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    Did you lock the orange interlock on the HV battery? The last step is to press the orange interlock downward and it'll lock into place. If you don't lock it, it will explain the triangle
     
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    ... and removing the safety interlock in this instance does not achieve anything.
     
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    I have seen the CEL on along with the "master warning light" when there were faults in other systems (but no codes in the ECM).

    Posted via the PriusChat mobile app.
     
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    Thanks for the replies,
    Yep, have the interlock engaged. I have had that battery in and out too many times...
     
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    Did you plug in all the connectors to the HV battery? 3 separate connectors to the ECU/Relays area
     
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    Yes, all the cables get plugged in every time it goes back in the car.

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    It may seem like it would be a lot of fuss to get access to a suitable scan tool and find out what codes the car is reporting ... but from what I'm seeing here, it's probably only going to be more fuss to try to find the issue without.