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Can leaving the door open run down the battery and am I going to recover from 5.5v

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  1. Johnny Cakes

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    Title pretty much says it all.

    I have the car configured so that no interior lights come on when the door is open. But this is the second time that I have left the door open for days in the garage (doing some interior work) and ended up with a dead battery. Perhaps it is a coincidence?

    The battery is currently at 5.8v and is too low for a trickle charger. To get moving for the short term, does it make sense to jump it and get it up to a voltage where it will accept the trickle charger? I connected a portable jump battery (Jump-N-Carry) for an hour and that didn't bring the computer up yet. Might have to Uber to work tomorrow.

    Finally, for the longer term, is the Optima Batteries 8171-767 (DS46B24R) YellowTop Prius Battery still the forum's choice?

    Thanks!
     
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    you can certainly try a jump, but i wouldn't trust it. i'm surprised the jump pack didn't work. triple a put one on my 4.4v and it started fine.
    as to a replacement, there's no consensus, because there's no testing or data
     
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    Most batteries can tolerate a limited number of such experiences, and come back sort of ok if given a nice long slow charge. (Not trickle, that's too slow, but ideally under the labeled limit on the battery of 3 or 5 amps or so, which means a good solid overnight up to maybe a full day on the charger).

    After that it might show some signs of degradation, or it might be trouble free for a long time, as long as you don't keep doing that to it.
     
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    I'm curious (worried, actually) that attaching a jumper battery doesn't at least cause the computer to fire up. It's as dead as if the battery was disconnected.
     
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    I just replace my battery today (see new post) . It was dead as a door nail but I had no problem starting it with my little jumper pack. As long as there’s enough juice to energize the pass over relay, it should be ok to go. I drove it to and from the dealer where I bought the battery with no problem.
     
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    try disconnecting the battery and using the jump pack alone
     
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    You jumping directly the battery or the jump point under the hood?

    Also, was it the drivers door ajar?
    wonder if the brake pressurization was occurring every so often?
     
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    If the battery is in a really low state, the brake pressurization will stay running due to it not being able to reach shut- off pressure. It’ll run until the battery is completely dead
     
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    circle of death.... /
     
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    I have vague memories -- don't ask me to document it just now -- that leaving doors ajar keeps some additional monitoring circuitry alive, not just the lights. So lower current LED lights, or lights completely off, buys more time but doesn't cure the problem of eventually draining the battery.

    So it is not just a coincidence.
     
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    On ours at least: open a door and there's a light in the door panel that goes on, plus little puddle lights in the front footwells. Neither have off switches.

    12 hours is enough to seriously deplete the battery. Time for a smart charger session.
     
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    My experience with a run down battery (although it was certainly not as low as 5.5V) was that attaching a 2A 12V power supply to the charge terminals under the hood made it start right up.
    No idea why attaching a portable jump starter would fail, unless maybe the 12V battery is FUBAR.
     
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    A jump starter takes the place of the battery, to get the car started, and once the car is started you could practically remove the battery from the car, and it would still run.

    But that in no way restores the battery. With a seriously depleted battery, if you jump start it go for a short drive, stop and shut off the car: you're pretty much in the same spot you were at the outset.


    Ok, I think I misunderstood you. You're saying no idea why the jump starter would fail to at least start the car? I'm with you there. :)

    Still, I think a lot of people conflate "jump start" with "my battery is fine now".
     
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    I went OEM and am not disappointed. The battery I pulled after six years still holds a very nice charge and I use it in the camper.
     
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    A jump start does NOT replace the battery, it supplements it, since it is connected in parallel.
    And leaving the jump source connected for a LONG time, like an hour, should bring the "dead" battery at least partially back to life if it is not permanently damaged.

    And for the OP: You should NOT be using a "trickle charger" for anything.
    I hope what you have really is a smart tender type charger.

    The Optima's have had quality control problems. I would NOT recommend them.
     
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    First, let me say THANKS to everyone who replied. This forum is really a good community of folks.

    I left the smart charger on for a pretty long time to bring the battery back up a bit, not that it seemed to help too much. Tried it again with the jump battery attached = ignition and we have liftoff! So the world is a good place again.

    Yeah, definitely agree. That's why I was pretty freaked out.

    That's true. But I removed the actual bulbs to defeat that problem when I first purchased the car. Long story why, not relevant here.

    Really great to hear that -- knowing "why" resolves anxiety that this is going to happen again, at an inopportune moment. Just to be on the safe side, I did purchase a new 12v battery which will arrive next week. Having an issue when I'm home where my tools are is one thing, but I travel extensively and it would be huge problem to have an issue thousands of miles away.

    My bad. That's what I meant. It does float at the end of the charging cycle, so that's "kinda" like tickle charging -- lol. Imprecise choice of words on my part.

    Very true. My dad taught me that the charging system of a car is designed to maintain the battery charge and while it will eventually re-charge a very dead battery, you are much better off using a smart charger than driving around. Of course, things were way different back then, but I suspect that's still true now.
     
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    Maybe even more so, with the less robust batteries on the Prius and it's ilk. (y)
     
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    Way back when, the "voltage regulators" were more like voltage limiters and most generators and early alternators just blasted out something like 14.5 volts ALL THE TIME just to be sure. That is why adding water was more important back then. I have a motor home that still does that.

    Modern electronic regulators are much better but the top end is now about 13.8 and that might take a LONG time to recharge a really flat battery......like forever maybe.
     
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    Plus a bunch of new always-on circuits (remote unlock, fob detection, computer memories) that are constantly pulling current, so today's cars are never completely off the way old cars were.
     
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    The thing is: a Prius has such low power demands starting up that just connecting a jump starter should be more then enough to start the car. It's not like any standard car that needs some 100A starting current to get the thing going.
    So in my mind there is no need to have it connected for some time to first charge the dead battery and then start.