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New 2019 Niro Plug In

Discussion in 'Hyundai/Kia/Genesis Hybrids and EVs' started by John321, May 7, 2019.

  1. hill

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    You're in luck - the Niro EV comes with Heated steering wheel, heated/ventilated seats and just about every safety option currently available on any vehicle.It was the 2019 Motor Trend Car of the Year. In this thread you can view were an individual who owns a Niro EV goes over how well the vehicle tows loads. Yes tows. (Post 43 in this thread).

    It is also now a contender for 2020 Car of the Year
    https://www.motortrend.ca/en/cars/kia/niro/2019/2019-kia-niro-ev-pros-and-cons-review/
     
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    I appreciate that it's a great car, but once you go fully BEV it's really hard to go back, even in the great white north.
     
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    The Niro EV is a BEV.
     
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    markabele owner of PiP, then Leaf, then Model 3

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    Good point! Haha. I take road trips a lot. Hardly any non Tesla DCFC stations up here (South Dakota). And what is the max charge rate this thing can take?
     
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    45k? i'd wait until the y is available to compare
     
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    Niro BEV is still available with the full $7,500 federal rebate + your state rebate + Kia incentive + different promotions.

    If you are a good negotiator and can actually use the tax credits given, the cost for a brand new BEV with every option imaginable could be under $33,000.

    This does depend somewhat on your state and your negotiating skills as well as the dealer vehicle availability.

    If you were lucky enough to find a new 2019 Niro EV on the lot you may get a whopper of a deal.

    Sometime it pays to investigate the different promotions. When we bought our cars the Kia and Hyundai Dealers were both nice enough to offers me another $500 off the agreed upon price when I asked if they gave veterans a discount! They did ask for proof of service so you had to show them a copy of your DD214
     
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    I REALLY wish this wasn't the case, but sadly Tesla's are the only EV you can take a real road trip in.

    And to those that say "Electrify America," please go do research into how those are working out.
     
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    saw 4 tesla chargers at the first rest stop on the jersey turnpike today. two were being used
     
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    I am not familiar at all with Telsa charging or charge times.

    The Niro EV can charge from 20% to 80% in 54 minutes
    Everything You Need to Know About Charging the Kia Niro EV and PHEV | ChargePoint

    Maybe Tesla charging networks are exclusive and not available to other EV users making it more convenient for Telsa owners to travel nationwide?

    It's wonderful that consumers have so many more choices in EV vehicles currently. Telsa is not the only kid on the block these days.

    It will benefit all consumers as this competition for EV dollars heats up and competition demands more value for the dollars spent or you head down the street to the next automaker to get a better value on an EV. Telsa are great vehicles. Niro EV's are great vehicles as recognized by its many car of the year award. They both better watch their P's an Q's as other manufactures are making EV vehicles and want to make sure their vehicles attract consumers and give the buyer great value.

    Does Telsa support EV development by building it's charging network to support all EV vehicles or is it only for Telsa vehicles.

    At our local Walmart there are some fast DC chargers and you see both Telsa and other electric vehicles using them, it is nice to see a situation where everyone can use the chargers.
     
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    Tesla Superchargers are only for Teslas, but others are invited to buy in.

    When Tesla started, the only fast DC charging standard out was CHAdeMO. In addition to being too slow for what Tesla wanted, CHAdeMO is not an open standard. There are licensing fees for it. In the beginning, they even charged for companies to just experiment with it. CCS came out after Tesla was well into building their network.

    DC chargers are rated by the max kW they can put out. The first Superchargers were 70kW to 90kW. They are now 150kw and being upgraded version 3 with 250kW. CHAdeMO is currently 62.5kW max, and CCS could could go up to 350kW, but few cars can handle that. Even if a car could, most CHadeMO and CCS chargers out there only 40 to 50 kW because of costs.

    The car's battery configuration can be a limiting factor on the charge rate. The 2020 Ioniq is getting a bigger battery, but it is a lower voltage than the current model. So it can only take a lower rate than the smaller battery. Reports are 40kW is its max steady rate.

    The 54 minutes for the Niro EV is with a 100kW charger. So likely longer on most chargers available now in the US.
     
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    Kia Niro EV vs Nissan Leaf Plus vs Tesla Model 3 which is the best value in this reviewers test

     
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    They're actually the same platform too--meaning: same floorpan with the same dimensions (106.3" wheelbase), same battery well, same exhaust routing, same suspension, same drivetrain. The Ioniq's body is five inches longer, and it is obviously not as tall as the Niro, but underneath they're the same car.

    ETA: The Ioniq and Niro are built on the Hyundai-Kia Eco-Car platform, which is apparently a derivative of Hyundai's J platform. Here's an article on Hyundai-Kia's new 3rd-generation platform, which underpins the new Sonata.
     
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    Thought I would do a one year update on our Niro purchase. Last May we bought a 2019 Niro Phev EX model.

    The Niro now has just about 18,000 miles on it in a year. It is the vehicle of choice for all the household drivers,that is how it is getting so much use. We have had no problems or issues with the vehicle. I do all the maintenance on it so other than when we bought it it – it hasn’t seen the inside of a Dealer.

    Vehicle consistently averages between 45 to 50 mpg and 26 EV miles. Have been very pleased with this vehicle purchase. Other than the Plug in door you would never know this was a PHEV by looking at it.


    If this vehicle is not being driven it is plugged in without exception and is only unplugged to drvie it.


    Below are pictures of the car and the odometer reading
    Niro.jpg Odometer.jpg
     
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    Thought I would talk about an interesting feature on the Niro I have never encountered on another vehicle.

    On the Niro it is virtually impossible to run down the 12v battery.

    On the HEV version (Hybrid) it's 12 volt battery is a lithium ion battery that sits next to the main hybrid battery. The HEV Niro has a battery reset switch which allows the main hybrid battery to send power to the 12v battery to power the car through start up and get it running again to charge up the battery as you continue on your way. So- if you come out and you car is dead no big deal press the battery reset switch and immediately start your car.

    On the PHEV Niro (Plug in version) which is what I own, it has an Auxiliary Battery Saver function. The car monitors the 12v lead acid battery and if it detects a low voltage it has the hybrid battery charge the 12v battery back up. When you start the vehicle you receive a message that the Auxiliary Battery Saver function was used so you are aware of that. It will allow the Auxiliary Battery Saver system to be used up to 10 times for one incident. After the 10th time it locks the system out. When you then restart the vehicle the count for the Auxiliary Battery Saver system is reset.

    Someone left a door partially opened on the Niro and it caused our Auxiliary Battery Saver System to activate. It worked great, it kept the 12v battery charged and it was a non event as far as causing a car problem. Notified me on start up it had been used.

    Had never encountered this thoughtful feature on any other car I owned. It would have been invaluable on our 2008 Prius.
     
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    This feature is starting to percolate to other Hyundai/Kia models.

    The new 2020 Sonata Hybrid has this feature. Sounds like a good one to have (and gets rid of the lead-acid battery)
     
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    Neat idea!

    It strikes me as a useful application of the "useless machine."

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    seems like a great idea. we'll see how it plays out in the long run.
     
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    great price for electricity, even if it's from fossil fuel sources. As for level 2 Charging? Did you ever rewire for a 240V outlet? FYI - although neither manufacturer advertises it, both Chevy Bolt/Volt Toyota Prius Prime 110 V portable chargers will also run on 240V. Both must utilize a switching power supply. Check out several threads here on PC confirming this. That means you don't necessarily have to buy a wall mount 240v EVSE.


    EDIT
    Okay I see you did eventually install an L2 evse.
    Even so, the L1 portable unit, coupled with the necessary adapters, can sometimes be mighty handy.
    Model Y does.

    Tesla Model Y Heat Pump, "Best Engineering" Elon Musk's Seen in a While
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    ADVANCED "Useless Machine".....