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  1. PriusCamper

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    Congrats @hill, you've earned an ignore button push from me tonight. I'm happy to know I'll never have to see your ill informed false equivalency foolishness ever again.

    Maybe if you pulled your head up out of the sand every once in a while you'd of realized that Greta never flies on airplanes and her recent trip to the Americas was done so via many weeks of sailing across the Atlantic Ocean on a sail boat. What's more she has more integrity and purpose in her littlest finger than you've ever demonstrated in all your anti-social trolling on PriusChat combined. She helping lead a movement that will no doubt change the world while you dismiss her in the most ignorant ways possible

    People who actually care about the future world we'll inhabit over the next 50 years and base our understanding of it on solid science and taking direct action look at lowly Trumpian opinions you parrot and realize how dead inside you really are. Many of us clearly see how you could care less about the future for yourself or your greater family. I've read enough of your awful comments over the years to know the best way to deal with folks like you is push the ignore button and never interact again.

    Not nice to know 'ya @hill Glad it's finally over!
     
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    Has this thread seriously degenerated into this?
     
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    Trollbait It's a D&D thing

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    The ad was presenting the hybrid as an electric car. While it has an EV side that helps lower fuel use, it isn't an EV in operation or other potential benefits.

    Dispelling ignorance is a goal of advertising. While Toyota was doing hippy trippy Prius ads, Honda was running 'no plug' ones for the first Civic hybrid. This ad is more 'you can get an EV that doesn't plug in' than just 'no plug'. Instead of saying that owning a hybrid is just like owning an ICE, with no need to make any changes, it says you can get an EV without needing to plug in. One of those trips the BS meter, and the other doesn't.

    PS: On coal heavy grids in the US, a plug in may not beat the a Prius or hybrid of similar of efficiency when it comes to carbon emissions, but they do beat every other car being bought today.
     
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    Good thing we don't care about the coal-powered, electrical power that runs the home and office. Yeap, the home and work 'carbon footprint' doesn't matter.

    Bob Wilson
     
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    Let me ask you a very simple question. In the continental US, how many grids are there?
     
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    Bob, really.

    That's a little overboard don't you think? I mean even here in Indiana, while we are Coal heavy, they are slated for closure. You can't simply shut down every coal plant that's currently in operation and still satisfy the energy needs at hand. It'll happen, but probably not on the timetable I'm guessing you would prefer.

    Don't mean to be rude, but it's stuff like that which makes those who aren't in the "know" of everything green think of the whole movement as wacko's. Which in the end, doesn't help the cause.
     
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    If Wikileaks can be trusted, there appear to be 5 grids. (some of which also serve portions of Canada)
     
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    Three: East, West and ERCOT.


    Unsupervised!
     
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    There are three power grids in the US - East, West, and ERCOT (Texas).

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    I think Bob’s point was everybody is screaming about how bad the grid is for EV (or EVs are because of the grid) and are ignoring the 800 pound gorillas standing in the way. Personally, I think we get carried away with pointing at EVs as some boogie man when housing and business energy consumption dwarfs whatever some EV gets, especially nowadays and not some point in the future that nobody will get right. Crap according to my spreadsheet, my A/C uses more energy in three months than my PP uses all year.


    Unsupervised!
     
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    Coal has been circling the drain in double digit year-over-year decline for a while now:
    America's Coal Consumption Entered Free Fall in 2019 - The Atlantic

    Also decentralized fossil fuel engines create far greater distribution of life harming air pollution among the general population then smokestacks, which have greater ability to scrub exhaust gases as well as a greater ability to disburse that pollution higher up, which can potentially eliminate all health harms caused by all the vehicle exhaust pipes of your neighbors: Electric Car Myth Buster — Well-To-Wheel Emissions | CleanTechnica
     
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    Trollbait It's a D&D thing

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    Your question wasn't pertinent to what I was saying about carbon emissions from the grid, which is linked to the fuel mix for electricity production. For that, the EPA breaks the physical grids up into 26 regions of the eGRID.
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    Power Profiler | Energy and the Environment | US EPA
     
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    Interesting map... Those lines are constantly shifting though based on power consumption changes daily and seasonally...
     
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    That's more of how it look on paper/jurisdiction rather than in real life, where energy consumption is much more dynamic and not confined within solid lines.
     
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    Very little energy crosses these lines. There are only small DC-DC links between them in a small number of places. Within each section, it's literally impossible to tell where the energy you consume came from.
     
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    Yes, it was.

    But energy crosses those boundaries every day, meaning they have little meaning when it comes to determining where the energy you consume was actually generated.
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    Power Profiler | Energy and the Environment | US EPA[/QUOTE]

    If those regions defined where energy was generated, the North Pacific Intertie (to name one of thousands) wouldn't exist. But it does.

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    If those regions defined where energy was generated, the North Pacific Intertie (to name one of thousands) wouldn't exist. But it does.

    [​IMG][/QUOTE]Take it up with the EPA. They are the ones using eGRID to determine up stream carbon emissions for all plug ins on Fueleconomy.gov, and it is what gets used by sources providing local mix of electricity sources.