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SARS-CoV-2 Coronavirus (COVID-19)

Discussion in 'Environmental Discussion' started by tochatihu, Jan 26, 2020.

  1. ETC(SS)

    ETC(SS) The OTHER One Percenter.....

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    Usually it's not the people who POST stuff that gets the thread kicked down into the dungeon....and we've seen politicized viruses (viri?) before....;)

    Never let a good crisis.....
     
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    bwilson4web BMW i3 and Model 3

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    Hummmm, sounds like a great excuse to attend a rally of someone I don't care for.

    Bob Wilson
     
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    From the depths of somewhere, a memory that the plural might be virii. With i happening twice. I mean three times.
     
  4. ETC(SS)

    ETC(SS) The OTHER One Percenter.....

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    the i's have it.....
     
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    fuzzy1 Senior Member

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    Also from the NYT version:

    "House Democrats said on Thursday that the official who voiced concerns to superiors about the situation was subjected to professional retaliation."


    Have any non-partisan sources confirmed this allegation of retaliation?​
     
  6. ETC(SS)

    ETC(SS) The OTHER One Percenter.....

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    Are there any non-partisan sources LEFT in the world??? (pun almost unintended)
     
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    According to WHO director-general Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus:

    “More than 20 vaccines are in development globally, and several therapeutics are in clinical trials. We expect the first results in a few weeks”

    Healthwise, there are very many groups working on this. Businesswise, there seems to be plenty of competition.
     
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    According to the US experts, after a vaccine is developed there are 9 - 12 months of trials, etc. before it would be available to help.
     
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    That is the shortest claim I've heard for mass deployment. Others are saying 12-18 months.
     
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    3PriusMike Prius owner since 2000, Tesla M3 2018

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    How does someone become a professional retaliator?

    Mike
     
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    3PriusMike Prius owner since 2000, Tesla M3 2018

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    Unless, of course, the human trials are fast-tracked in a country that has rules that are more lax.

    Mike
     
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    Plural is virii and pure singular is virion, but there are more things to be learned here than perfecting one's vocabulary. So I let it slide.

    Meanwhile my long and pointless battle to save the word "epicenter" is over. Virus reporting killed it.
     
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    An intensive course of online study is available by turning on the news.
     
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    tochatihu Senior Member

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    From WHO sitrep #39, 331 new cases in China and 1037 elsewhere. Belarus, Lithuania, Netherlands, New Zealand and Nigeria join the list.
     
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    Imagine yourself to be a medical doctor in Wuhan. Or do not, because doing so will be unpleasant.

    You received a major opponent for shadow boxing in Jan, maybe late Dec. You worked with knowledge and tools in hand but they were not enough because many patients died. Some of your co-workers died. It can get no worse in this medical profession.

    Yet by mid-March you will have won the war. Oh God I need a vacation. Some won't get that. Tips and tricks developed during Act 1 are what rest of world needs, starting in March, for Act 2.

    It remains to be seen how many of those wrung-out professionals will freely offer their help. Remains to be seen whether 'rest of world' will accept Chinese medical help. Act 2 may be much larger and with lots of shadow boxing. I'm not inclined to post websites anticipating many millions of COVID-19 global infections. Rather, to consider how rest of world will value expertise already previously developed.

    Readers here and I are not really in the loop, and high-level political posturers are not either. Global act 2 will present its face in 2020 March. It's hard now to know how that will go, but if it goes with not much Chinese medical input, perhaps not so good. Tips and tricks.

    Global act 3 is about whether this gets shut down like SARS, or becomes a seasonally recurring burden. Before 2020 ends, we'll know.
     
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    Over what? The center?
     
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    From our bungled program for testing suspected infected persons, it seems as if the U.S. isn't accepting any foreign help or advice or knowledge, not even from First World nations.

    It seems that the likely reason the U.S. has few confirmed cases, is because we have very limited capacity to even perform the confirmation tests. As in our total number of tests administered, over the entire course of this outbreak to date, is less than many other countries (even smaller poorer ones) are administering per day.
     
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    Well that does simplify the logic: if it is negative about Trump, ignore it.

    Bob Wilson
     
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    "amid warnings from public health officials that a 2020 outbreak of a new coronavirus could soon become a pandemic involving the U.S., alarmed readers asked Snopes to verify a rumor that U.S. President Donald Trump had “fired the entire pandemic response team two years ago and then didn’t replace them.”

    The claim came from a series of tweets posted by Judd Legum, who runs Popular Information, a newsletter he describes as being about “politics and power.” Legum’s commentary was representative of sharp criticism from Democratic legislators (and some Republicans) that the Trump administration had ill-prepared the country for a pandemic even as one was looming on the horizon.

    Legum outlined a series of cost-cutting decisions made by the Trump administration in preceding years that had gutted the nation’s infectious disease defense infrastructure. The “pandemic response team” firing claim referred to news accounts from Spring 2018 reporting that White House officials tasked with directing a national response to a pandemic had been ousted.

    Rear Adm. Timothy Ziemer abruptly departed from his post leading the global health security team on the National Security Council in May 2018 amid a reorganization of the council by then-National Security Advisor John Bolton, and Ziemer’s team was disbanded. Tom Bossert, whom the Washington Post reported “had called for a comprehensive biodefense strategy against pandemics and biological attacks,” had been fired one month prior.

    It’s thus true that the Trump administration axed the executive branch team responsible for coordinating a response to a pandemic and did not replace it, eliminating Ziemer’s position and reassigning others, although Bolton was the executive at the top of the National Security Council chain of command at the time."

    Legum stated in a follow-up tweet that “Trump also cut funding for the CDC, forcing the CDC to cancel its efforts to help countries prevent infectious-disease threats from becoming epidemics in 39 of 49 countries in 2018. Among the countries abandoned? China.” That was partly true, according to 2018 news reports stating that funding for the CDC’s global disease outbreak prevention efforts had been reduced by 80%, including funding for the agency’s efforts in China. But that was the result of the anticipated depletion of previously allotted funding, not a direct cut by the Trump administration.

    On Feb. 24, 2020, the Trump administration requested $2.5 billion to address the coronavirus outbreak, an outlay critics asserted might not have been necessary if the previous program cuts had not taken place. Fortune reported of the issue that:

    The cuts could be especially problematic as COVID-19 continues to spread. Health officials are now warning the U.S. is unlikely to be spared, even though cases are minimal here so far.

    “It’s not so much of a question of if this will happen in this country any more but a question of when this will happen and how many people in this country will have severe illness,” Dr. Nancy Messonnier, the director of the National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases, said during a press call [on Feb. 25].
     
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