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Did you order your first Prius Prime WITHOUT ever having seen one in person ?

Discussion in 'Prime Main Forum (2017-2022)' started by GKL, Mar 1, 2020.

  1. Pdxprimeguy

    Pdxprimeguy Member

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    I bought mine sight unseen before it even arrived to dealer in feb 2017. One of the first few that arrived there. No regrets. $33,550. Now has over 102,000 miles. Going strong. And I added comma AI openpilot for better self driving. Hope to get the RAV4 prime soon.
     
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  2. GKL

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    Over 102,000 miles and still going strong sounds great !

    I've heard the self driving program mentioned before, I still need to research it more.

    I do believe we'll be very pleased with our Prime XLE when it gets delivered, so not that I plan on ever getting a RAV4 Prime myself, I still look forward to hearing about how buyers like it after it is available.
     
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    I think the reason why Primes are not popular in the South is because carmakers have very little incentive to sell them there. I've heard that CARB states give carmakers a one-for-one deal--sell an electric vehicle, and we will allow you to sell an additional SUV. And they make tons of money off of an SUV. I'm in North Carolina, and purchased my 2017 Advanced from a dealership in Bethesda, Maryland, and got an awesome deal--why did I go to Maryland? CARB state!
     
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  4. GKL

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    It would be nice if cars could simply be sold the same everywhere without special incentives limited to just some areas, but I understand it's because some states are carb and others not.

    I am surprised that our state being a non-carb state has as many public charging stations as they do, not complaining though, just puzzled. :rolleyes::D
     
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    Totally agree!! CARB is kind of a mixed blessing.
     
  6. john1701a

    john1701a Prius Guru

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    Sadly, it results in a ton of litigation from each state attempting to join... hence Toyota's stance. They see all those lawsuits as a wasteful distraction.
     
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    Okay, I'm still a relative noob as far as details about "carb" states (since we live in a non-carb state) so I'm guessing the litigation is by automotive corporations fighting to prevent any more states from joining "carb" ?

    I did a search online and found this article from March of 2019 so I'm not sure how up to date it is -

    What are CARB states, ZEV states and 'smile' states? Autoweek explains | Get the latest car news, car reviews, auto show updates, and racing news from Autoweek. News for the auto enthusiast.

    (the article clarified my understanding some more (I didn't even know what "carb" actually stood for, I assumed it was something like carbon emissions :LOL:)

    Anyhow, anyone know if there is a list of non-carb states that are currently working to join "carb" ?

    I'm guessing the "mixed blessing" another poster mentioned is because of the requirement for car owners to have annual or biannual emissions testing ?

    In hindsight I remember over 15 years ago when we used to live in Maryland having to have emissions testing done, but at that time we had not really thought about hybrid cars way back then and did not realize about carb and non-carb states, just thought it was something Maryland decided to do to make people with cars that had excessive exhaust pollutants get their car fixed.
     
  8. john1701a

    john1701a Prius Guru

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    Minnesota is in the process of joining now. We are seeing pushback from a variety of sources. It has been Senate Republicans and Auto Dealerships getting the attention recently for their resistance efforts. More with a subtle approach is the massive undermining effort coming from the Oil Industry.

    The goal is to prevent movement forward by getting proposals tied up in a legal mess to cause delay.
     
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    I was thinking before that the oil industry was likely resistant to hybrid and EV vehicles as it would erode their oil profits more and more over time, but you would think they would realize hybrid and EV cars are getting more plentiful and they need to invest in that industry somehow so the profits they lose from declining oil sales can be offset from profits from investing in some aspect the hybrid/EV industry.