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Individuals endangering others by exercising their faith

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  1. bisco

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    Not yet.
    100 posts.....
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    My county has no open churches (real churches) although some of them have adopted the practice of "parking lot" services where people gather in their cars and listen to a sermon over a local FM transmitter.
    Cute idea, but I've been passing on this myself.

    Meanwhile.....our local (essential) store parking lots are jammed with cars.
    Evidently....."essential services" includes things like cupcake bakeries (food) landscaping (construction.)

    Our local Walmart instituted "safety" measures that limit it's occupancy to "x" many people per square foot.
    Unfortunately....some people can math.
    Almost 1,000 shoppers have to be in the store before the person with the clicker makes the rest of them stand in a line outside......but hey....they're not the problem - right?

    If anybody out there believes that cities cannot shut down stores AND churches, they're wrong.
    If anybody out there believes that cities SHOULD not shut down stores AND churches during a pandemic, they're also wrong, but this should be done deliberately....and they SHOULD be willing to stop restrictions more swiftly than starting them....

    Mostly?
    Government is a little slow off the mark.
    We've been talking about COVID since Mid-JANUARY.

    I'm old enough to remember a much-scorned travel ban in January (17th?)
    Meanwhile, since then we've had things like city marathons...(08 March)...Mardis Gras (25 Feb) and I myself worked the polls in March...VERY CAREFULLY.

    There's plenty of churches out there that are still leaning away from social distancing.
    REAL ones, even.
    They're A problem...but not THE problem.

    Splinters and eyes, folks.
     
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    ....and also be willing to question some of the things even one's religious leaders do. A lot of folks follow them sheepishly without thinking.
     
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    Religion is voluntary.

    Dot.gov....isn't.
     
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    Jan. 17: The CDC begins monitoring major airports for passengers arriving from China.

    Jan. 31: Trump announces travel restrictions from China after three major airlines announced they had halted flights.


    Here where the U.S. outbreak had its first beachhead, I'm old enough to remember serious monitoring and contact tracing efforts being severely stymied by lack of testing, a tardy and faulty CDC test, and a federal ban on use of commercial and foreign tests. And a Seattle Flu Surveillance program starting last fall, with plenty of potentially useful C-19 tracking info buried in its sample archives, ordered to cease and desist.
    That late, with public participation? o_O I'm remembering some non-public races, professionals only, but thought even they ended earlier. Will try to find them.
     
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    Disclosure:
    There was a marathon as late as 21 March, but I lost the link and (unlike fake news) I strive to be accurate.
    The last 'big kids' marathon was LA on the 8th.

    Some of the more forward thinking people in the class were already going 'eeewww!'....but hey.... $$$


    MY Takeaway:
    (...and ONLY mine......)

    SOME people endanger others by exercising their "faith" and others endanger others by exercising their "faith."

    Pends on what you place your 'faith' in....huh? ;)
     
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    Depending on when in the day that article was written, there were from 65 to 85 known cases nationwide, and 1 to 6 known deaths. And there were already ongoing discussions about how to 'safely' run marathons before the LA event happened:
    LA Marathon Coronavirus | LA Marathon 2020 | Marathon Health Risk

    Today the U.S. has seen over 500,000 known cases, and 18,000 known deaths. The decimal points have moved more than 3 places, pushing 4 places. The risk for 'faith' gatherings today vs. then is vastly vastly vastly different.

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    P.S. Bath UK half-marathon, March 15:
    Home - Bath Half Marathon
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    PPS. Marathon results calendar. March 21 was Skidaway Island, GA.
    Browse Marathon Results
     
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    same with mardi gras
     
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    Mardi Gras was about Feb 25th?

    That is in a Red State. At that time, there were still 50-ish cases, 0 deaths, nationwide. And the cases were nearly all in west- or east-coast Blue States. While a fair number of Red State governors(*) were equally proactive as the Blue state governors, this outbreak really hadn't reached them yet.

    (*) While all the social-restriction-refusenik-state governors are Red, not all Red governors are such refuseniks.
     
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    i was in florida at the time, and there were plenty of warnings for anyone who practices caution
     
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    Louisiana isn't exactly a 'red' state, and Nawluns is most decidedly NOT a red city.
     
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    Louisiana is most certainly not a 'blue' state, and isn't very purple either:

    2016, 58% Trump, 38% Clinton
    upload_2020-4-12_22-12-54.png upload_2020-4-12_22-19-36.png

    Statewide offices: 6 GOP, 1 Dem (who is governor)
    U.S. Senators: 2 GOP, 0 Dem
    U.S. Reps: 5 GOP, 1 Dem
    Supreme Court: 5 GOP, 1 Dem, 1 NP
     
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    Speaking of Nawluns, Wolf Blitzer interviews Louisiana Lieutenant Governor Billy Nungesser (R) about the state's decision to host its annual Mardi Gras celebration:

    Louisiana official: We had no idea outbreak would be this bad

    Nungesser, apparently in charge (?) of the state's tourism industry, admits that he was wrong when he criticized New Orleans' mayor for cancelling later events such as the St. Patrick's Day parades. Lack of federal guidance was clearly a contributing factor in not cancelling anything earlier.

    Date reminders:
    Mardi Gras: Feb 25
    Louisiana's first Covid-19 case: Mar 9
    St. Patrick's event cancellations: starting Mar 13 (cancelled on March 10th)
     
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    Politifact weighs in too:

    (Louisiana Governor) John Bel Edwards stated on April 5, 2020 in a CNN interview:
    Says of the coronavirus threat, “there was not a single suggestion by anyone, a doctor, a scientist, a political figure, that we needed to cancel Mardi Gras.”
    upload_2020-4-12_23-39-5.png

    "If Your Time is short

    • The Carnival season in New Orleans kicked off early January and ended Feb. 25.
    • There were few coronavirus cases in the United States at the time, and health officials then said there was no community spread.
    • The earliest indication we found from a federal agency saying that large events may need to be canceled came Feb. 26, after Mardi Gras celebrations."
    As best I have tracked back, the nation's very first outbreak-related school closure was February 27, after Mardi Gras, at Bothell High School (Metro Seattle area), near the original nursing home outbreak where the first announced U.S. death would not occur until February 29.

    The World Health Organization declared it a pandemic on March 11. All Seattle Public Schools closed March 11. The Governor ordered all schools closed in 3 counties on March 12. He expanded it statewide the next day.
     
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    as always, it depends on where you get your 'facts'. politicians probably get most from their party leaders, and we know what the head of the red party was saying...
     
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    ...and we ALSO know what the heads of the blue party were saying during that time.
     
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    Yeah, but they're not admitting to it. ;)
     
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