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    Have a picture or diagram of it?

    The only sensors I remember installing were in the battery itself

    The only connector for the fan I recall was the one that clips into the fan itself
     
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    When I try to test the battery fan though techstream it says

    Error code
    091010009

    Please verify the following conditions

    IG on: it is

    DLC cable connected: tech stream cable?

    Battery voltage: it's at 11.2
     
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    Are you referring to the the connection that's on the driver's side of the battery?

    The one where there's three connectors that clip in ?

    If that's the one you're referring to I definitely installed it back in properly.

    Made sure each of those clipped into place
     
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    No. There are 2 black plastic ducts that slip into the passenger side of the battery case. The top one connects to the fan. The one that slips into the bottom then connects to another black plastic duct that guides the exhaust air over to the 12v battery well to exit the car. There is a sensor/resistor/whatever you want to call it, in the side of the plastic duct (the one that slides into the bottom of the HV battery). It controls the fan. If you unplugged it when removing the battery, maybe you forgot to plug it back in when you reassembled everything. The flow sensor is located on the passenger side of the duct, kind of out of sight once everything is put together.

    This is the duct displayed on its side. What is facing you, is the bottom of the duct. The device directly above the "05 Prius" is the flow sensor. For some reason, all the knuckleheads on ebay have this listed as the upper duct for the HV battery. Maybe that's what Toyo calls it, but I can guarantee you that this duct goes to the bottom of the battery case and the upper one goes to the fan.

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    Thank you that was very helpful

    That is connected

    I unconnected it and checked for corrosion or broken wires.

    Looks intact.

    Techstream won't allow me to test the fan for some odd reason
     
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    I found some corrosion on this connector for the battery fan.

    I've hit it with some contact cleaner however it looks burnt.

    Can this be salvaged or will it need to be replaced?
     

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    Does that actually go to the fan? It clips to the fan housing. On all my cars, and some customers, I have removed that connector and spliced the wires together. That connector is very susceptible to corrosion. Although I have never fully traced it out, it was my understanding that connector is in the safety disconnect circuit. I'll have to trace it down one day when I have some extra time.

    Looks like you're going to need to splice it also, since one terminal appears to be broken off.
     
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    Looks like it could definitely be supplying power to the fan


    Didn't notice a connector missing however I'll take a closer look.

    How would I go about doing that if I need to or could I just get a new connector?
     
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    Update:

    I after clearing the corrosion I reconnected everything. Warning light went off

    Went into techstream and attempted to test the fan again

    After techstream attempted to test the fan and actually allowed me to perform the test light came back on and the fan didn't work.

    Is there a way to test the fan itself outside of the vehicle?
     
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    I think the corroded terminal(s) is/are toast, even after cleaning.

    The electrical wiring diagram (more info) will let you highlight that connector and click for more info, expand the 'wire harness repair' section, and see the part numbers for repair terminals. Here's an example of what that looks like (looking up a different connector though). The part number visible in the example is for the plastic housing; you have to click the '+ Wire Harness Repair' underneath it to see the numbers for the terminals.

    When you get a repair terminal from the dealer, it will have a short length of wire preattached. That lets you cut out the old corroded terminal and the wire a little way back to good copper, splice the repair terminal on, and click it into the housing. If the plastic housing isn't deformed or melted, cleans up ok, and the terminals click securely into it, there shouldn't be any need to replace it. The harness repair page will also show the recommended crimp sleeve for making the splice. (Also, it shows how the terminals are locked in place and released. Worth studying; there is usually a primary 'lance' that is either part of the terminal or of the housing—the diagram will say which—and a secondary lock that is part of the housing. Both need to be released to get a terminal out.)

    That would give you the repair up to Toyota's specs. Alternatively, you could follow TMR-JWAP and just splice around the whole connector, though that could end up being annoying if you later do have some reason to want to disassemble it.
     
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    Well... I've come this car so why not just replace the terminal.

    I mean screw it right? I've got some Rona time to kill.

    As for the part number... I can't find it in that information you gave me.

    I looked on the bottom side of this terminal but the numbers I see and then enter into Google aren't coming up with anything.

    I'm literally searching areas of different parts sites trying to find it.

    Is this all in TIS?

    So new to that software.

    I'm half way tempted to just get one out of a junkyard near by.
     
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    TIS is the technical info servive, the online resource at techinfo.toyota.com. It's subscription-based, but the (more info) link I gave also has information Elektroingenieur compiled helplfully about getting access through local libraries, etc. (I trust, in the current situation, there are ways of accessing the local library online....)

    All of the repair manuals are there, wiring diagrams, service bulletins, campaigns and recalls, quick technical guides, even the "University of Toyota" technician course materials. Just the one subscription covers all of it.
     
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    That is the connector I was referring to. Just get some wire nuts and splice around the bad spots.
    Again, It's an old car. ;)
     
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    I've never done that before and have no idea what these wires go to.

    I mean I could definitely read one of the above diagrams and do that

    However will that make the fan run constantly?
     
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    Start with one wire with a corroded pin. Cut the wire on both sides of the connector, strip them, and then connect them with a wire nut. There is no need to trace anything back. Your pictures show just two bad pins. This will not make the fan run constantly.
     
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    Yeeeehawwww
     
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    Update:

    Spliced the wires (that was easy)

    Fan works when tested in techstream

    Job done!

    Should I put something around these wires other than electrical tape ?

    I used some of those crush style splicers where you out the wire in it and crimp it down.
     
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    Didn't use any OEM parts

    Just spliced it

    Red plastic pieces are the splicers i used

     
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    Imgur is being stupid for some reason
     

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    You're right, imgur is being stupid, so I don't see the splices you used.

    These are the good stuff, as spec'd by Toyota:

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    They are parallel splices: the two stripped ends of your wires overlap in the middle, and you crimp down the barrel to smash both stripped copper ends together, and the current is carried right from one wire to the other.

    Auto parts stores for some reason more commonly sell butt splices. You can recognize them because their middles are narrower than the ends, and longer than the middles of the parallel splices:

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    They look similar, but your two wire ends don't end up overlapping. There's a stop in the middle. One wire goes in one end and stops, one goes in the other end and stops, and you crimp both places, and the current has to flow through the splice barrel.

    And then there are these kinds of things, that only conduct through one little blade that mashes down through the wire insulation:

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    Those are really not the ticket. But if you used one, and it worked, I would probably call it a day, and if it flakes out later, just replace with a better splice. Maybe it never will.
     
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