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2018 Prius completely dead even after jumping. What now?

Discussion in 'Gen 4 Prius Care, Maintenance and Troubleshooting' started by Halcykon, Apr 15, 2020.

  1. Halcykon

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    I bought my 2018 Prius 2 in 9/2018 in Houston. Since then, I've had a 12V battery issue in November 2019, got it replaced, and now have another issue.

    When I started my car this time, it looked like the dashboard was schizophrenic. Parts of the dashboard turned on and off repeatedly, and a warning sign kept popping up about the 12V battery. Also, something around the engine area that kept clicking very rapidly, even after I turned off the car.

    Now the car doesn't start at all even when I jump the 12V battery. I scheduled a maintenance check tomorrow but I can't even drive it out of my garage now. What are my options?
     
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    1) check the 12v voltage

    2) try charging the 12v

    3) take the 12v to place of purchase for testing and warranty

    4) after you get a good 12v, keep a battery maintainer on it
     
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    Call ToyotaCare and let the dealer deal with it. That's why there's new car warranties.
     
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    I went to the dealership and... they said there were no issues. My parasitic draw is low, the 12V seems to be in good condition.

    I followed up with a call to Toyota Customer Experience Center. They basically said that my Prius is fine and to recommend that I drive the car at least once or twice a week to keep it in good condition.

    I'm a little unsatisfied with that answer. Nowhere in the manual does it say that I have to drive it 1-2x a week and honestly, if that were the case I probably wouldn't have purchased a Prius. And in contrast, P.80 of my owner's manual (gen 4) states "be sure to drive the vehicle at least once every few months for at least 30 minutes or 10 miles" to charge the hybrid battery. This is the only mention of maintaining the Prius after periods of non-use

    So is this normal behavior for a Prius? Or should I start looking into lemon laws?
     
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    how did you get it started?
     
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    Typically the dealership use electronic load testers that have a built-in printer. Did they test it with one of those, give you a print-out? I'm guessing no. :(

    I'd second @bisco's recommendations, for testing/charging.
     
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    Short story: The tow truck came and jumped it with a portable jumper. He put the negative on the battery terminal, which is different from what I did with the factory 12V. That seemed to work.
     
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    That makes it sound like a dodgy earth connection to the battery to me.
     
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    12v solar battery maintainer sounds like a good idea.

    Or a proper 12v tricklecharger
     
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    If the tow truck driver connected his cables directly tot he battery terminals, then all the battery connections are fine. Most likely, when attempting the original 'jump', the negative cable was connected to a poor location and prevented the transfer of power.

    I think it's pretty common among Prius owners that the 12v battery is a weak point when the car sits for extended periods of time, especially if the SKS system isn't deactivated (on a Gen 2 at least). This weakness is even worse if the key is being continually detected by the car if it's stored too close to the car.
     
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    I followed the official "How to jump start a gen 4" video from Toyota USA by grounding the jumper cable on a metal plate instead of the negative terminal. This worked on the original factory battery, so I did not think of trying something different with the replaced battery.

    I've started keeping my doors unlocked when I part to "deactivate" the SKS. I understand the 12V is a weak point, but 2 weeks seems like a reasonable period of time to keep a car parked.
     
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    ^+1

    Don't bother with the lemon law research.
    I'm guessing that a 2-year-old car doesn't qualify.

    Also...you're RIGHT.
    If you can't park the car and walk away from it for 2 weeks without the aux battery dying, then you need to FIX this car OR get another one.

    If this is the SECOND 12v battery for this car, and IF the second 12v battery was installed correctly then there's something else going on and it could be from a number of things including (but not likely) another dodgy 12v battery.
    I'd look at things like aftermarket wiring, including dealer installed options....YOUR driving habits (leaving dome lights used to be a 12v battery killer)....miece infestation (check your cabin air filter today!!!) and lastly an electrical problem causing a parasitic draw.
    If you have an electrical problem, the good news is that it will be SUPER cheap to fix!!
    The bad news is that it might be SUPER expensive to find the bad spot in the wiring!

    If this keeps being a problem, then keep taking it to the dealer and make sure that the complaints are being properly documented.
    You may be out from under the shade of the Lemon Tree, and all of this could be a 'you' problem and not a 'them' problem, but that's not going to relieve them of the responsibility of owning their end of the problem.....and that starts with what's being written down in the service history.....

    Good Luck.
    Keep us posted.
     
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    Update:

    I took it to another dealership for a second opinion (long story, but there's a mechanic I like and he diagnosed the first 12V failure when another mechanic said there wasn't one).

    Long story short, he diagnosed a battery failure in this 12V as well (after another mechanic said there wasn't one). I got it replaced, so I'm on to my 3rd 12V after 18 months of owning this Prius! I'm thinking of leaving this one un-used for 2 weeks just to see if it's really the 12Vs or a defect with my car.
     
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    I'm at 18 months so I still have a little bit of room :)

    Agreed! I just got my 12V replaced again (3rd one now). I'm going to leave it for 2 weeks and see what happens.

    ...maybe even 3 weeks, because I'm feeling dangerous.

    • Dodgy 12V battery - The Toyota mechanic I trust tested it and it came back with a failure, so this might be it. I still think 2-in-a-row is strange and wonder if something else is wrong with my car.
    • Aftermarket wiring, dealer installed options - I did not modify my car or ask for any additional installs. They might have installed something and forgotten to tell me about it, but the parasitic draw is at 30 milliamps so unlikely.
    • My driving habits - Maybe, but if this is the case I'm blind to it. When I park I leave my interior lights off and turn off the headlights. I'm going to start leaving the doors unlocked when I park in my garage (deactivate SKS). Nothing's in my OBD2 port. I use this car for commuting to work (when I'm not quarantined). I average 67 MPG over the 11k miles on this car. Maybe the ICE isn't on enough? Let me know if I'm missing something.
    • Mice infestation - Unlikely. How is the cabin air filter related to mice? The air filter is a little dirty but fine.
    • Parasitic draw - dealership tested it at 30 milliamps. Probably fine.
    • Atmospheric Pressure changes? The mechanic mentioned something about how storms here cause atmospheric pressure changes that affect the battery chemistry. I tried googling this and found nothing.
    Thanks! I am documenting everything on the Toyota service history site.
     
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    sorry, i didn't realize you had two threads going on the same subject
     
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    If you do a few of those 2 weeks without a charger, interspersed with just short trips, you might have yet another "defective" 12 volt battery on your hands.

    A connected battery has low but constant demands put on it by the car.
     
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    Quite a few 2020 Rav4 hybrids have had dead 12v battery issues. Toyota does not communicate what they know and don't know about issues that a group of owners are having, so no clear answer on what is going on. Either there is a quality issue with Toyota OEM 12v batteries or there is some sort of drain. 2019 models haven't had the same issues.

    Here is a link to a discussion about the issue on the Rav4 forum: 2020 Hybrid Starting Issue Due to Battery Drain | Toyota RAV4 Forums

    So, you might try a non OEM battery.
     
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    Due to coronavirus my car has been parked and only taken for trips of a few miles for months (well going on 2) and my battery still starts.

    The Prius does have a relatively small battery, but there's no starter or anything so it should be fine
     
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    Well, one was a "I don't know what to do next with this problem" and the other one was "Is this actually a problem or normal for a Gen 4?"

    They just ended up having the same updates.